From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:02:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> <834ofczxv2.fsf@gnu.org> <83zkx4ygne.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280779395 24934 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2010 20:03:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: levelhalom@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 02 22:03:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1E3-0008OU-AK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:03:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53832 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Og1E2-0000Kp-Np for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47755 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Og1Dv-0000I4-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:03:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1Du-0004wV-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:02:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:53168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1Du-0004wP-Iy; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:02:58 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so2135487qwk.0 for ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ynzTrg+wU03UArIlbdv7fuQfszhPq/9Qp/lH6y+LZ9U=; b=TYHWyT6y4UHOwBd9ellg4SvOpyUEYPJ5BXEmH4+i2nAZl4l1EkFftnk1OKs0pQi4M3 MuqySjkh1MZok4PNDELU6HSBGBSEyWRVDIMM+5O8ZiYvURnU/SfFebGaa3oyWurTXFf1 Ny4LCLlHHv4LHQUoITgj8APS6zUE18UJGo1zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OGELt7zFuIwOyVqT99k6ZgKdX8rjTd2RZ22FOon0S8ca4o7k7j2FRRZyW2zIFR7mHs WtW+fTe/XlQxEIw1749MAvl0GWMc7VEP7YqHvXDckKoKNm01ZdRqvGbmPhMVnO/r+/dQ OoBBdK0Jf++waGS8yYQUYgnVX23e2xORBQfIs= Original-Received: by 10.229.52.32 with SMTP id f32mr460660qcg.265.1280779377119; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:02:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83zkx4ygne.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128153 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:37:59 +0200 >> Cc: levelhalom@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > >> > If someone needs a data point that terminology doesn't matter much, >> > read the manual for Vim -- it uses non-standard terminology (including >> > "yank", btw, and other weirdly named commands), and yet is very >> > popular. >> >> I think that the situation is different for Vim. For example since it >> uses "y" as a command prefix then talking about "yank" makes sense. > > For the same reason, it makes sense in Emacs, since we have C-y. It makes a bit sense, yes, but not as much as in vi. Emacs key bindings are customizable. And a lot of people (including me) would not even use it if it were not. That is not the case for vi.