From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A better autogen.sh Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:33:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87y66fv2d3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D388F7F.20708@swipnet.se> <87r5c7jk5m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D39EF9C.1050804@cs.ucla.edu> <4D3A8666.4070609@cs.ucla.edu> <877hdvd49f.fsf@meyering.net> <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> <4D7FDFB0.6020203@cs.ucla.edu> <4D7FEF16.7040107@cs.ucla.edu> <8362rjr9po.fsf@gnu.org> <4hk4fzsnv8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4D805B3F.1030900@cs.ucla.edu> <4D807E05.4000600@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300275255 18231 80.91.229.12 (16 Mar 2011 11:34:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 16 12:34:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzozQ-0000Ba-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:34:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39656 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PzozQ-0001yF-6H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:34:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58514 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PzozL-0001xo-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:34:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PzozJ-0001PC-Rg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:50120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PzozI-0001Oi-7X; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so772103gxk.0 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:33:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JCp75dMCwMXtO8DLclVZx51jDp4FZEiD7sfQzI3qgV4=; b=viPxR7X4H4C+p+oNFQkrgPYamHvGBY3n+Tmijcs0X28WZ376BqLIxbk9L3DLDB2Y50 xNvtc9/ZEFQHY6ExaQbRvsidlKrP3091kCy0suKntYmcN1cRhMQ6Qkr2eKVbMaCTJsek oVd4pMESnEg2MUpuayeqMJEh0UwTdCsFmNzic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vREOQ0jl5CZkUbDerwT0MhKHc22Wj9LwPpu2iwFlfkyergD57XlOjdGqgAi7le5dpj 6cnQnVUGDTWcJVMNSZA0W7gKIyWI8Wu00Y5/BahRtCJU2YhfzkV8zI3tcpjvbzAL4aDM N52sS8hYWNt+Y03jalDoUxQTT+Fa7qlQgA0Dw= Original-Received: by 10.146.225.29 with SMTP id x29mr672814yag.29.1300275239668; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.147.34.11 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:33:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D807E05.4000600@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.161.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137278 Archived-At: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:08, Paul Eggert wrote: > Emacs is part of the GNU project, and the main goal > of the GNU project, as I'm sure you know, is to develop > a complete Unix-like operating system that is free software. Noooo. The main goal is to develop a complete Unix-like operating system that it is free software, *and* to get people to use it. Witness Hurd. The very fact that the Windows port exists and was integrated into mainline Emacs is, IIRC what I've read here and elsewhere, because giving non-free users free alternatives is seen as a good way to teach them about freedom. Hey, I'm a Windows user through and through, and I'm here, collaborating (however sparsely) on a free project. That's a consequence of having Emacs on Windows. > The MS Windows port is not inherent to Emacs in that way. > Where the MS Windows port can be done with minimal > disruption to Emacs development, then that's fine; > but where the MS Windows port presents an obstacle to > improving how Emacs is maintained, that's a problem. > In this discussion, we're trying to address one of these > problems. That would inspire much more confidence, were not for the fact that lately it seems that *every* little nuance related to Windows (or MS-DOS) is sen as an "obstacle to improving" Emacs. Apparently there is people who would sleep more soundly if every trace of Windows were removed from Emacs. > I would not dream of making such a claim. =C2=A0But that is a > separate issue, and I don't see why it is relevant. Because it would not even exists, were not for the Windows and MS-DOS ports, which the bidi developer uses, maintains and enjoys. Battling an uphill struggle, I would add, as relatively recent threads (less than two months old) demonstrate quite clearly. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma