[babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hi

Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with PROPERTIES :OPTIONS: when
exporting subtree", The idea came ub by Mathew Lundin to be able to "send
the results or a source code block (either executed code or exported org
snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".

The scenario or context in which the idea came up:

I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my parameters
for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a paper, for which I use
a different program (I use LyX), but I still would like to include the
tables from my original org file in them. Therefore I was looking for a
possibility to export ONLY the table into a .tex file, so that it can be
included in the LyX / LaTeX via \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would
need an export of the table in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything. As
far as I was told, this possibility does not exist in org.

So Mathew's / my question is if it would be possible to include a
functionality to "send the results or a source code block (either executed
code or exported org snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".


Cheers,

Rainer


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Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hi Rainer,

Rainer M Krug wrote:
> Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with PROPERTIES :OPTIONS: when
> exporting subtree", The idea came ub by Mathew Lundin to be able to "send
> the results or a source code block (either executed code or exported org
> snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".
>
> The scenario or context in which the idea came up:
>
> I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my parameters
> for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a paper, for which I use
> a different program (I use LyX), but I still would like to include the
> tables from my original org file in them. Therefore I was looking for a
> possibility to export ONLY the table into a .tex file, so that it can be
> included in the LyX / LaTeX via \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would
> need an export of the table in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything.

*Side question*, because this is quite important, I think: why are you still
using LyX directly?

For my literate programming needs, I've been able to completely forget about
my past ways to do:

- Nuweb (in MS Windows) extensions to LaTeX
- Noweb (in Linux) extensions to LaTeX

and switch, with much more benefits, to Org-only files. What is stopping you
from being able to do so?  That root cause should be fixed, IMHO -- if doable,
of course...


> As far as I was told, this possibility does not exist in org.

If I understand correctly, this is, indeed, the difficulty Eric exposed us,
when I was working on the isodoc letter (trying to convert Org blocks to
LaTeX, and get everything assembled upon exporting).

Best regards,
  Seb

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Re: Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Rainer M Krug]

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2010/9/29 Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com>

> Hi Rainer,
>
> Rainer M Krug wrote:
> > Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with PROPERTIES :OPTIONS:
> when
> > exporting subtree", The idea came ub by Mathew Lundin to be able to "send
> > the results or a source code block (either executed code or exported org
> > snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".
> >
> > The scenario or context in which the idea came up:
> >
> > I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my
> parameters
> > for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a paper, for which I
> use
> > a different program (I use LyX), but I still would like to include the
> > tables from my original org file in them. Therefore I was looking for a
> > possibility to export ONLY the table into a .tex file, so that it can be
> > included in the LyX / LaTeX via \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would
> > need an export of the table in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything.
>
> *Side question*, because this is quite important, I think: why are you
> still
> using LyX directly?
>

Because it is easier for me? Don't get me wrong - I really like org mode and
org babel - I can not imagine working without them (wait - I did that until
about a year ago...). But for writing papers for publication, other tools
are more suitable FOR ME: These papers do not include any literate
programming and no to be executed code, and I really like the interface of
LyX for writing. More even then a text editor for LaTeX (however advanced or
not it may be), it does what it is supposed to be doing: to let me
concentrate on the contents of the paper. But as I said, that is my personal
opinion, and others might prefer other approaches.


>
> For my literate programming needs, I've been able to completely forget
> about
> my past ways to do:
>
> - Nuweb (in MS Windows) extensions to LaTeX
> - Noweb (in Linux) extensions to LaTeX
>
> and switch, with much more benefits, to Org-only files.


Yes - concerning programming, literate programming, documenting the source
code, etc., org mode with org-babel is PERFECT.


> What is stopping you from being able to do so?


As I said - org is getting close to being a swiss army knife, but I tried to
open a bottle with it and my screen broke - so I still use a bottle opener
for that...


> That root cause should be fixed, IMHO -- if doable, of course...
>
>
> > As far as I was told, this possibility does not exist in org.
>
> If I understand correctly, this is, indeed, the difficulty Eric exposed us,
> when I was working on the isodoc letter (trying to convert Org blocks to
> LaTeX, and get everything assembled upon exporting).
>

Effectively, yes - except that the org block converted to LaTeX should be
available in files, which can be used from other programs as well.

Cheers,

Rainer


> Best regards,
>  Seb
>
> --
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>
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Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Sébastien Vauban]

Rainer,

Rainer M Krug wrote:
> 2010/9/29 Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
>> Rainer M Krug wrote:
>> *Side question*, because this is quite important, I think: why are you
>> still using LyX directly?
>
> Because it is easier for me? Don't get me wrong - I really like org mode and
> org babel - I can not imagine working without them (wait - I did that until
> about a year ago...). But for writing papers for publication, other tools
> are more suitable FOR ME: These papers do not include any literate
> programming and no to be executed code, and I really like the interface of
> LyX for writing. More even then a text editor for LaTeX (however advanced or
> not it may be), it does what it is supposed to be doing: to let me
> concentrate on the contents of the paper.

On concentrating on the contents, I find it easier to (as someone to) read:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Because:
- reason 1
- and reason 2
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

than:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Because:
\begin{itemize}
\item reason 1
\item and reason 2
\end{itemize}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Same for tables...

That's why I now hate going back to LaTeX. But, I know, habits can be hard to
change.

Best regards,
  Seb

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Re: Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Rainer M Krug]

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2010/9/29 Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com>

> Rainer,
>
> Rainer M Krug wrote:
> > 2010/9/29 Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com>
> >> Rainer M Krug wrote:
> >> *Side question*, because this is quite important, I think: why are you
> >> still using LyX directly?
> >
> > Because it is easier for me? Don't get me wrong - I really like org mode
> and
> > org babel - I can not imagine working without them (wait - I did that
> until
> > about a year ago...). But for writing papers for publication, other tools
> > are more suitable FOR ME: These papers do not include any literate
> > programming and no to be executed code, and I really like the interface
> of
> > LyX for writing. More even then a text editor for LaTeX (however advanced
> or
> > not it may be), it does what it is supposed to be doing: to let me
> > concentrate on the contents of the paper.
>
> On concentrating on the contents, I find it easier to (as someone to) read:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Because:
> - reason 1
> - and reason 2
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> than:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Because:
> \begin{itemize}
> \item reason 1
> \item and reason 2
> \end{itemize}
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>

Absolutely - and that is why I am using LyX and not LaTeX: in these regards
a LITTLE bit like WYSIWYG, but within the complete LaTeX power and not with
"painting" layouts like in word.

Cheers,

Rainer

>
> Same for tables...
>
> That's why I now hate going back to LaTeX. But, I know, habits can be hard
> to
> change.
>
> Best regards,
>  Seb
>
> --
> Sébastien Vauban
>
>
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Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Eric Schulte]

Hi Rainer,

I'm not sure that code blocks are the solution for this particular
problem.  The following simple function should do what you want.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun schulte/current-table-to-tex (file)
  "Export the current table as latex to FILE."
  (interactive "F")
  ((lambda (tex-table) (with-temp-file file (insert tex-table)))
   (org-export-region-as-latex (org-table-begin) (org-table-end) t 'string)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Best -- Eric

Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi
>
> Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with PROPERTIES :OPTIONS: when
> exporting subtree", The idea came ub by Mathew Lundin to be able to "send
> the results or a source code block (either executed code or exported org
> snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".
>
> The scenario or context in which the idea came up:
>
> I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my parameters
> for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a paper, for which I use
> a different program (I use LyX), but I still would like to include the
> tables from my original org file in them. Therefore I was looking for a
> possibility to export ONLY the table into a .tex file, so that it can be
> included in the LyX / LaTeX via \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would
> need an export of the table in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything. As
> far as I was told, this possibility does not exist in org.
>
> So Mathew's / my question is if it would be possible to include a
> functionality to "send the results or a source code block (either executed
> code or exported org snippets) via babel to a target in an external file.".
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rainer

Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Thomas S. Dye]

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Aloha Rainer,

Perhaps this will work?  Eric Schulte wrote a function to make a LaTeX  
table out of an Org-mode table.  You should be able to call it from  
within a LaTeX source block that tangles to a suitably named file.   
There is an added benefit in the support for booktabs rules, so you'll  
need to have the booktabs package installed.

hth,
Tom

> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> *** booktabs
> This block can be used to wrap a table in the latex =booktabs=
> environment, it takes the following arguments -- all but the first two
> are optional.
> | arg   | description                                |
> |-------+--------------------------------------------|
> | table | a reference to the table                   |
> | align | optional alignment string                  |
> | env   | optional environment, default to "tabular" |
> | width | optional width specification string        |
>
> #+srcname: booktabs
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var table='((:head) hline (:body)) :var  
> align='() :var env="tabular" :var width='() :noweb yes :results latex
> (flet ((to-tab (tab)
>                (orgtbl-to-generic
>                 (mapcar (lambda (lis)
>                           (if (listp lis)
>                               (mapcar (lambda (el)
>                                         (if (stringp el)
>                                             el
>                                           (format "%S" el))) lis)
>                             lis)) tab)
>                 (list :lend " \\\\" :sep " & " :hline "\\hline"))))
>   (org-fill-template
>    "
> \\begin{%env}%width%align
> \\toprule
> %table
> \\bottomrule
> \\end{%env}\n"
>    (list
>     (cons "env"       (or env "table"))
>     (cons "width"     (if width (format "{%s}" width) ""))
>     (cons "align"     (if align (format "{%s}" align) ""))
>     (cons "table"
>           ;; only use \midrule if it looks like there are column  
> headers
>           (if (equal 'hline (second table))
>               (concat (to-tab (list (first table)))
>                       "\n\\midrule\n"
>                       (to-tab (cddr table)))
>             (to-tab table))))))
> #+end_src
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> once loaded it can be applied as here
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ** booktabs
> #+tblname: months
> | num | Abbrev. |
> |-----+---------|
> |   1 | Jan.    |
> |   2 | Feb.    |
> |   3 | Mar.    |
>
> #+call: booktabs(table=months, align="r|l") :results latex :exports  
> results
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote:

> Hi
>
> Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with  
> PROPERTIES :OPTIONS: when exporting subtree", The idea came ub by  
> Mathew Lundin to be able to "send the results or a source code block  
> (either executed code or exported org snippets) via babel to a  
> target in an external file.".
>
> The scenario or context in which the idea came up:
>
> I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my  
> parameters for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a  
> paper, for which I use a different program (I use LyX), but I still  
> would like to include the tables from my original org file in them.  
> Therefore I was looking for a possibility to export ONLY the table  
> into a .tex file, so that it can be included in the LyX / LaTeX via  
> \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would need an export of the table  
> in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything. As far as I was told,  
> this possibility does not exist in org.
>
> So Mathew's / my question is if it would be possible to include a  
> functionality to "send the results or a source code block (either  
> executed code or exported org snippets) via babel to a target in an  
> external file.".
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rainer
>
>
> -- 
> NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!!
>
> Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation  
> Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)
>
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> Natural Sciences Building
> Office Suite 2039
> Stellenbosch University
> Main Campus, Merriman Avenue
> Stellenbosch
> South Africa
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>
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Re: [babel] FEATURE REQUEST: send results into file

[Eric Schulte]

"Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> writes:

> Aloha Rainer,
>
> Perhaps this will work?  Eric Schulte wrote a function to make a LaTeX
> table out of an Org-mode table.

Ah, thanks for suggesting this Tom, I'd forgotten about that function.

If you'll indulge me, I'd like to expound upon the library of babel
(lob) as I sometimes feel that it is underutilized among Babel features.
The function below is distributed in the lob in the contrib directory of
Org-mode, and by putting something like

(org-babel-lob-ingest "~/src/org/contrib/babel/library-of-babel.org")

into your Emacs initialization all of the many library of Babel
functions -- I'd recommend browsing the file as there are some
interesting functions -- will be available from any Org-mode file to be
called using call lines

#+call: booktabs(table=...)

or executable noweb references in source blocks as Tom suggests below.
This file lives in the contrib directory to ease the process of adding
user-contributed functions without the authors having to go through the
Emacs assignment process.

Best -- Eric

> You should be able to call it from within a LaTeX source block that
> tangles to a suitably named file.  There is an added benefit in the
> support for booktabs rules, so you'll need to have the booktabs
> package installed.
>
> hth,
> Tom
>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> *** booktabs
>> This block can be used to wrap a table in the latex =booktabs=
>> environment, it takes the following arguments -- all but the first two
>> are optional.
>> | arg   | description                                |
>> |-------+--------------------------------------------|
>> | table | a reference to the table                   |
>> | align | optional alignment string                  |
>> | env   | optional environment, default to "tabular" |
>> | width | optional width specification string        |
>>
>> #+srcname: booktabs
>> #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var table='((:head) hline (:body)) :var
>> align='() :var env="tabular" :var width='() :noweb yes :results
>> latex
>> (flet ((to-tab (tab)
>>                (orgtbl-to-generic
>>                 (mapcar (lambda (lis)
>>                           (if (listp lis)
>>                               (mapcar (lambda (el)
>>                                         (if (stringp el)
>>                                             el
>>                                           (format "%S" el))) lis)
>>                             lis)) tab)
>>                 (list :lend " \\\\" :sep " & " :hline "\\hline"))))
>>   (org-fill-template
>>    "
>> \\begin{%env}%width%align
>> \\toprule
>> %table
>> \\bottomrule
>> \\end{%env}\n"
>>    (list
>>     (cons "env"       (or env "table"))
>>     (cons "width"     (if width (format "{%s}" width) ""))
>>     (cons "align"     (if align (format "{%s}" align) ""))
>>     (cons "table"
>>           ;; only use \midrule if it looks like there are column
>> headers
>>           (if (equal 'hline (second table))
>>               (concat (to-tab (list (first table)))
>>                       "\n\\midrule\n"
>>                       (to-tab (cddr table)))
>>             (to-tab table))))))
>> #+end_src
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> once loaded it can be applied as here
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> ** booktabs
>> #+tblname: months
>> | num | Abbrev. |
>> |-----+---------|
>> |   1 | Jan.    |
>> |   2 | Feb.    |
>> |   3 | Mar.    |
>>
>> #+call: booktabs(table=months, align="r|l") :results latex :exports
>> results
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Rainer M Krug wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Based on a discussion in the thread "Problem with PROPERTIES
>> :OPTIONS: when exporting subtree", The idea came ub by  Mathew
>> Lundin to be able to "send the results or a source code block
>> (either executed code or exported org snippets) via babel to a
>> target in an external file.".
>>
>> The scenario or context in which the idea came up:
>>
>> I am using org babel for literate programming and I document my
>> parameters for simulations in a table in org. Now when writing a
>> paper, for which I use a different program (I use LyX), but I still
>> would like to include the tables from my original org file in them.
>> Therefore I was looking for a possibility to export ONLY the table
>> into a .tex file, so that it can be included in the LyX / LaTeX via
>> \input{theTable.tex} . Therefore I would need an export of the table
>> in LaTeX format, but no preamble or anything. As far as I was told,
>> this possibility does not exist in org.
>>
>> So Mathew's / my question is if it would be possible to include a
>> functionality to "send the results or a source code block (either
>> executed code or exported org snippets) via babel to a target in an
>> external file.".
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>>
>> --
>> NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!!
>>
>> Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation
>> Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)
>>
>> Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
>> Natural Sciences Building
>> Office Suite 2039
>> Stellenbosch University
>> Main Campus, Merriman Avenue
>> Stellenbosch
>> South Africa
>>
>> Cell:           +27 - (0)83 9479 042
>> Fax:            +27 - (0)86 516 2782
>> Fax:            +49 - (0)321 2125 2244
>> email:          Rainer@krugs.de
>>
>> Skype:          RMkrug
>> Google:         R.M.Krug@gmail.com
>>
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