From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Fren Zeee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:23:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201007221414.39227.tassilo@member.fsf.org> <876307s8dm.fsf@kanis.fr> <878w539u7m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87r5iu91cm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279866381 13916 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 06:26:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 08:26:17 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcBi5-0006Mb-7d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:26:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56566 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcBf5-00006t-Cl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42520 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcBey-00006n-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:23:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcBex-0003Nq-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:23:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:34290) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcBex-0003Nj-Bu; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:23:03 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so10946825iwn.0 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7n6MD+H/QSkEdRbr9dyRAF6X0/TMb6/cguRlwpM+UEA=; b=cuxQn8BxE5uYf/S7+c0XBSrZHXpWSyaaARj5GMUcYw9STJt1B8F2D8HPX3j9tqeJuQ k6hOyTbGWstZ6cayVwpnq+9450ykrJhhAm5qubAIvGpZtycyPEjQJ/mmKBcKq9QcbawE aswFYKoJGzHwRWJpL2If1DrLVRKI2tXb1no80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rM+4NuFrFFIBvPrRkZERxrXUbdwh8WaWSyZByVlRj9yXWTxmcMvPnVi9Zu4BZU61RK bTYjBNVmiq70lbaBa2fIvsfQQ5AxdNdcNhpeid9NoKdb2dLJOktJqlCoqIv+/y9Lkvk5 rkNxVN2oqwVUAgKnFBSmqpCD/DfTo69V6HGJQ= Original-Received: by 10.231.39.134 with SMTP id g6mr3145375ibe.151.1279866182213; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.199.80 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:23:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r5iu91cm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127669 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Stephen Eilert writes: > >> 4- Defaults >> =A0 Here's where CUA comes in. Users expect the usual copy and paste >> behavior (including the ability to copy and paste among application) >> and *will* get completely confused by Emacs' kill-ring. The kill-ring >> is nice, but it is not straightforward to explain without visual >> feedback. > > If people supposedly get confused by the behavior of yank and kill as > opposed to copy&paste, I doubt that we'd be doing them a great service > by calling them "copy&paste" and putting them on copy&paste keybindings. > A method must be devised that allows aliases type system so that those who are using the older system dont have a problem and those who want the microsoft type C-C and C-V can go there. Basically, its like two nearest keys, V has no mnemonic relation to Paste. Franz