From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 00:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281306626 18977 80.91.229.12 (8 Aug 2010 22:30:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 09 00:30:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiENs-0004my-6l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:30:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiENr-0001HM-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40624 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiENl-0001HD-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiENk-0008T5-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:36362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiENk-0008Sy-2O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so7714904qwk.0 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:30:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VAjihJDza4fQQbeqIOHn2ovv+S2b2dbewPy/hzKAMmA=; b=ShvtQ+AwOLRC8wng/3+ziMiJM1wwGAtkNctQsWDjUzJIf4bFxuq8vdqbqEEvKit4kK Y38nk31rDV/G3hr5V7Y0T1Kso4ZkHNRcnrUhJU0hie7ttdq2K8G0+OuCzPy8rLlLBSIA NUz5Q0h9Y6bjfBg1mLv0vktTz5iFn9utbWN8s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HYzg5ocBlnftpn0eXsowcrWxgWO6YPQYlqyU2D17Cvaeo4dmARIHTPddJGp0rfoeCY ZTrnkXluWg7FM30Serm5u+wr82jMdTiV1K/G+SBWBDNLWrmDkKgvRXk175ImkU7SEUOc RWmbStTuiiB6URvEbOeLvm1I8V/dQy/N78N2I= Original-Received: by 10.224.89.11 with SMTP id c11mr7981030qam.344.1281306615128; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.54.80 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128433 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Uday S Reddy writes: > >>> It's not essential, but I really appreciate having Meta on the outside >>> (where my little finger can press it). =C2=A0It's also nice in X becaus= e of >>> the number of window managers that willy-nilly steal Alt for their own >>> use. >> >> I agree. =C2=A0After having thought about for a day, I realize that it i= s a >> perfectly logical thing to map Windows keys to Meta. =C2=A0It is wasted >> keyboard real estate otherwise. > > No, this is too idiosyncratic to make it the default. > > Even for non-default usage, putting Emacs in charge of the Windows key > seems unacceptable. =C2=A0This is the domain of the operating system. I think the Alt key is far more important. > Doesn't the Windows world have some equivalent of `xmodmap'? =C2=A0That's= the > conceptually correct way to handle this. No really. It tries to standardize instead (and I believe it got it huge user base from that).