From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6390: Should not regexp-quote quote newline? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:37:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276289919 13567 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2010 20:58:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6390@debbugs.gnu.org To: MON KEY Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 11 22:58:37 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONBJD-0002If-RH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:58:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONBJ8-0001r8-8Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:58:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35856 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONBJ0-0001of-Es for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:58:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONBIz-0005lz-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:58:22 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONBIy-0005lv-Tw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONB0H-0002Bx-Kn; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:39:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6390 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 6390-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6390.12762887028419 (code B ref 6390); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6390) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2010 20:38:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAzd-0002Bk-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:38:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com ([209.85.211.197]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAza-0002Be-V3 for 6390@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:38:19 -0400 Original-Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so1431894ywh.29 for <6390@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8jauhphjLzqfNEQds5pdhzbBGrOuk7+X9a8hjl8mbEI=; b=jkPXC5841vAxno1FquDc0m2oBtEX2PvN3KHD/PITT1zsb7At9v5w8ySBeE6o+Sls2w +5M1lTmvhzu1UxKHZRFE9Pn4iIAbpLXR32/egZen7EijROlp/UFJ97/JADo9MkJIL6NV L3YbZkhtO0l9iYtDKWVYazyM8EabAwYoWgeGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N+coMbkteheVfOW19/3KAAlVbHFxhdtXgg6kMne5A1INfjENZDm+el2v14bs+JuxoW himIDbeDqsCuhwRpXAVOebuR2C1uA6EyVDuelcXLxalbprqGJpBa8Sr/eRHm6Q33j/33 8t4Rb4hbz9Y8Sp9zJ5iziWdLm+2TUbL1xYgc0= Original-Received: by 10.101.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr2171239anm.254.1276288694197; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.154.15 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:39:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:37710 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:09 PM, MON KEY wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Lennart Borgman > wrote: >>> Sure. I object on the grounds that what you propose is madness. >> >> I can see no objection at all. What is it? >> > > You've confirmed my suspicion ;) > > The objection is that what you propose is madness, i.e lunacy! I still see no objection because I have not the slightest idea how you mean all the things you are telling are related to my proposal. The only interpretation I can make is that the madness is already here since linefeed and form-feed already may be written as \n and \f if you set print-escape-newlines to t. All I proposed was that it should write tab as \t too. I might not have proposed that if I knew it was that utterly disturbing to someone. ;-) On a brighter side I think you have misunderstood my question and suggestion. Please read it again and especially the conversation with Andreas. > It is absolutely NTRT to interpolate any such chars routed through the > elisp printer simply b/c you disagree with how an ASCII standard > character has been historically (mis)interpreted. Its the _users_ > prerogative to dictate her intention here; it certainly isn't yours, > or Microsofts', or Emacs'. > > IMHO it would be _insane_ to replace "\f" linefeed with "\t" > > Evaluate these to see why: > > =C2=A0(progn > =C2=A0 (insert-char 12 1) > =C2=A0 (describe-char (1- (point)))) > > =C2=A0(progn > =C2=A0 (insert-char 9 1) > =C2=A0 (describe-char (1- (point)))) > > Among other things, you may notice the inserted glyph `^L' which is used > throughout Emacs as the default value for indication of page boundaries. > e.g. `page-delimiter' and her buddy `forward-page'... > > Not only are you asking to have the form-feed value replaced with an enti= rely > different _non-visible_ character but you are asking to fundamentally alt= er the > semantics from: > =C2=A0"Occurences of this character indicate vertical movement of the > print-head at EOL" > to: > =C2=A0"Occurences of this character indicate tabbed horizontal movement a= t EOL" > > Blech! Why would you want to do something so silly? > > Check out this history of the form-feed and (one of) its early > intended applications: > > :SEE (URL `http://www.rfc-editor.org/EOLstory.txt') > > :SEE-ALSO (URL `http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linefeed') > > P.S. I've taken on faith that you aren't instead suggesting to replace > "\f" with the line tabulation char `^K' ASCII 11 e.g. (insert 11) > Which would make only slightly more sense than the folly you've proposed. > > -- > /s_P\ >