Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Richard Riley]

Could someone familiar wit Java advise me about the status of JDEE? Is
it usable? How well integrated is it with Semantic for example for Java
class method/member completion possibly using ac-source-semantic with
auto-complete?  Basically, is it worth the effort of learning and using
Emacs for Java?

Any hints or tips with regard to Java development in Emacs much
appreciated as I really want to stay from eclipse if at all possible.

I realise I could download it and try it but not being a seasoned Java
programmes I feel I'm not really equipped to rate it.

regards

r.

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Jim Crossley]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> writes:

> Could someone familiar wit Java advise me about the status of JDEE?

It's kinda dead, though I think Paul Landes is trying to revive it.

Pray for him. :)

> Is it usable?

Kinda

> How well integrated is it with Semantic for example for Java class
> method/member completion possibly using ac-source-semantic with
> auto-complete?

Kinda. Sorta.

> Basically, is it worth the effort of learning and using Emacs for
> Java?

No, probably not.  Not now.  It doesn't support 1.5 things like generics
and static imports.

> Any hints or tips with regard to Java development in Emacs much
> appreciated as I really want to stay from eclipse if at all possible.

Yeah, I hear you, brother.

I use Emacs for Java development, limping along mostly with JTags and
locate (mdfind on osx) and occasinally (but rarely) jdibug.  JTags does
most everything I ever counted on JDEE to do, so it may be enough for
you. 

> I realise I could download it and try it but not being a seasoned Java
> programmes I feel I'm not really equipped to rate it.

Unless you *really* love Emacs and *really* hate Eclipse, you should use
Eclipse for Java development.

I should also mention malamar-mode, and he just committed some stuff
today, so perhaps it's coming along nicely.  I like the direction he's
heading, so check it out.

Good luck!
Jim

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Richard Riley]

Jim Crossley <jcrossley@redhat.com> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Could someone familiar wit Java advise me about the status of JDEE?
>
> It's kinda dead, though I think Paul Landes is trying to revive it.
>
> Pray for him. :)

Heh.

>
>> Is it usable?
>
> Kinda
>
>> How well integrated is it with Semantic for example for Java class
>> method/member completion possibly using ac-source-semantic with
>> auto-complete?
>
> Kinda. Sorta.
>

I have it loaded but the strangest thing : I can not for the life of me
get auto-complete-mode on for jde mode even with a call to
(auto-complete-mode t) in the c-mode-common-hook which is called when
loading a .java file. I can turn it on by calling that function from the
minibuffer after the java file is opened however. And then completion on
classes etc was fine.

>> Basically, is it worth the effort of learning and using Emacs for
>> Java?
>
> No, probably not.  Not now.  It doesn't support 1.5 things like generics
> and static imports.

Could you elaborate a little what you mean by "support"? I can still
type these things. Do you mean in terms of completion and refactoring
maybe?


>
>> Any hints or tips with regard to Java development in Emacs much
>> appreciated as I really want to stay from eclipse if at all possible.
>
> Yeah, I hear you, brother.
>
> I use Emacs for Java development, limping along mostly with JTags and
> locate (mdfind on osx) and occasinally (but rarely) jdibug.  JTags does
> most everything I ever counted on JDEE to do, so it may be enough for
> you. 
>
>> I realise I could download it and try it but not being a seasoned Java
>> programmes I feel I'm not really equipped to rate it.
>
> Unless you *really* love Emacs and *really* hate Eclipse, you should use
> Eclipse for Java development.

I do really dislike Eclipse. I tried IntelliJ which is a lot snappier BUT
its 230 dollars for a single user license if I want to use the Android
toolkit which is a tad steep. Today I got emacs compiling via ant and
uploading to an android emulator and debugging with jdb via DDMS so I
would prefer to stick with emacs to be honest.


>
> I should also mention malamar-mode, and he just committed some stuff
> today, so perhaps it's coming along nicely.  I like the direction he's
> heading, so check it out.

I will do. Thanks for the reply.

>
> Good luck!
> Jim

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Richard Riley]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> writes:

>
> I have it loaded but the strangest thing : I can not for the life of me
> get auto-complete-mode on for jde mode even with a call to
> (auto-complete-mode t) in the c-mode-common-hook which is called when
> loading a .java file. I can turn it on by calling that function from the
> minibuffer after the java file is opened however. And then completion on
> classes etc was fine.


The solution was simple : jde-mode needed to be added to ac-modes. No
idea why the explicit call from c-mode-common-hook didn't work but all
is well now.

Now if anyone knows how to make semantic parse the import classes that
would be great ...

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Andrea Crotti]

Richard Riley <rileyrg@gmail.com> writes:

> The solution was simple : jde-mode needed to be added to ac-modes. No
> idea why the explicit call from c-mode-common-hook didn't work but all
> is well now.
>
> Now if anyone knows how to make semantic parse the import classes that
> would be great ...

So jde-mode parent is java-mode and java-mode parent is c-mode, is that
the reason why it should work?

Maybe the hooks of the parents are not called automatically...

I would also like to know hot to make parse the import classes, it would
be great!

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Andrea Crotti
<andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So jde-mode parent is java-mode and java-mode parent is c-mode, is that
> the reason why it should work?
>
> Maybe the hooks of the parents are not called automatically...

If not that is a bug.

Re: Emacs and JDEE : opinions sought.

[Oleksandr Gavenko]

On 2010-08-13 2:45, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>
> Jim Crossley<jcrossley@redhat.com>  writes:
>
>> Richard Riley<rileyrg@gmail.com>  writes:
>>
>>> Could someone familiar wit Java advise me about the status of JDEE?
>>
>> It's kinda dead, though I think Paul Landes is trying to revive it.
>>
>> Pray for him. :)
>
> Heh.
>
>>
>>> Is it usable?
>>
>> Kinda
>>
>>> How well integrated is it with Semantic for example for Java class
>>> method/member completion possibly using ac-source-semantic with
>>> auto-complete?
>>
>> Kinda. Sorta.
>>
>
> I have it loaded but the strangest thing : I can not for the life of me
> get auto-complete-mode on for jde mode even with a call to
> (auto-complete-mode t) in the c-mode-common-hook which is called when
> loading a .java file. I can turn it on by calling that function from the
> minibuffer after the java file is opened however. And then completion on
> classes etc was fine.
>
>>> Basically, is it worth the effort of learning and using Emacs for
>>> Java?
>>
>> No, probably not.  Not now.  It doesn't support 1.5 things like generics
>> and static imports.
>
> Could you elaborate a little what you mean by "support"? I can still
> type these things. Do you mean in terms of completion and refactoring
> maybe?
>
>
>>
>>> Any hints or tips with regard to Java development in Emacs much
>>> appreciated as I really want to stay from eclipse if at all possible.
>>
>> Yeah, I hear you, brother.
>>
>> I use Emacs for Java development, limping along mostly with JTags and
>> locate (mdfind on osx) and occasinally (but rarely) jdibug.  JTags does
>> most everything I ever counted on JDEE to do, so it may be enough for
>> you.
>>
>>> I realise I could download it and try it but not being a seasoned Java
>>> programmes I feel I'm not really equipped to rate it.
>>
>> Unless you *really* love Emacs and *really* hate Eclipse, you should use
>> Eclipse for Java development.
>
> I do really dislike Eclipse. I tried IntelliJ which is a lot snappier BUT
> its 230 dollars for a single user license if I want to use the Android
> toolkit which is a tad steep. Today I got emacs compiling via ant and
> uploading to an android emulator and debugging with jdb via DDMS so I
> would prefer to stick with emacs to be honest.
>
How about FREE of cost NetBeans?

Android development also allowed (but I not try):

http://wiki.netbeans.org/IntroAndroidDevNetBeans
http://gerry.ws/2009/01/1074/how-to-setup-netbeans-for-android-development.html

Really Emacs luck Java support.

But I use Emacs for small Java project.
And actively use GNU Make/ETAGS.

-- 
Best regards!