From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: MON KEY Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6390: Should not regexp-quote quote newline? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276288119 7448 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2010 20:28:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 6390@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 11 22:28:37 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAqB-0006Ts-7Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:28:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53790 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONAqA-0002zq-9I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54278 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONApz-0002xQ-0Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:28:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONApx-0001W0-Ow for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:28:22 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONApx-0001Vv-MK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:28:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAYE-0001xJ-Sp; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:10:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: MON KEY Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6390 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 6390-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6390.12762869607503 (code B ref 6390); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6390) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2010 20:09:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAXY-0001wy-0L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONAXW-0001wt-6t for 6390@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so1058385gyh.3 for <6390@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.150.255.31 with SMTP id c31mr3703001ybi.196.1276286953539; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.151.10.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:09:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: sbh65CeTo9oYZSVU1Tno_OC1IT4 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:10:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:37709 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> Sure. I object on the grounds that what you propose is madness. > > I can see no objection at all. What is it? > You've confirmed my suspicion ;) The objection is that what you propose is madness, i.e lunacy! It is absolutely NTRT to interpolate any such chars routed through the elisp printer simply b/c you disagree with how an ASCII standard character has been historically (mis)interpreted. Its the _users_ prerogative to dictate her intention here; it certainly isn't yours, or Microsofts', or Emacs'. IMHO it would be _insane_ to replace "\f" linefeed with "\t" Evaluate these to see why: (progn (insert-char 12 1) (describe-char (1- (point)))) (progn (insert-char 9 1) (describe-char (1- (point)))) Among other things, you may notice the inserted glyph `^L' which is used throughout Emacs as the default value for indication of page boundaries. e.g. `page-delimiter' and her buddy `forward-page'... Not only are you asking to have the form-feed value replaced with an entirely different _non-visible_ character but you are asking to fundamentally alter the semantics from: "Occurences of this character indicate vertical movement of the print-head at EOL" to: "Occurences of this character indicate tabbed horizontal movement at EOL" Blech! Why would you want to do something so silly? Check out this history of the form-feed and (one of) its early intended applications: :SEE (URL `http://www.rfc-editor.org/EOLstory.txt') :SEE-ALSO (URL `http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linefeed') P.S. I've taken on faith that you aren't instead suggesting to replace "\f" with the line tabulation char `^K' ASCII 11 e.g. (insert 11) Which would make only slightly more sense than the folly you've proposed. -- /s_P\