From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: binding ibuffer to C-x C-b by default Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:43:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87eic1orhx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286538247 8605 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2010 11:44:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 08 13:44:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4BMs-0007Rd-7d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:44:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4BMr-0002es-KA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38265 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4BMl-0002eg-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:43:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4BMk-0006aB-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:59149) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4BMj-0006Zw-SL; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn1 with SMTP id 1so854869iwn.0 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 04:43:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Aq4VokcpUBtRzcgL4n3DzXdi/NFsxicUr9eACC9nnRk=; b=hAzZnl8gmF5OOHzkDMTurxvP4SZFt4pOCtBuDce3crYmpk4UsWyjoGi3OC9LwiS9nc IwlutH+2NP3eRbDjlbEpW1tf26VGi6EaXmKA4ksukCwlRVPPpyHIDR98hF+jQW9qXRpk 9O3t+XcG15IcwG/1YMIDdz0+q4poRD6+FYxqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=x8Dlb5gf4BAOFJhOkbaYku2qDq1DcYOrzVeSs/kOmbXiLKp2K7+a0XJy+m7EGs49wG IWH0HqpF7jTm6nAsYbpny0zNQ9LN89BboQY7BfDF+m+Lz9Rs4YYu1my/hD5Y7i9UdwdL YpWJ7CANcrkMIkwi5/OyPFRdHurDpIVfPOgzw= Original-Received: by 10.231.59.13 with SMTP id j13mr2134564ibh.77.1286538236710; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 04:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.17.66 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 04:43:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eic1orhx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131485 Archived-At: 2010/10/8 David Kastrup : > Deniz Dogan writes: > >> 2010/10/7 Dan Nicolaescu : >>> >>> This was discussed briefly a few years ago and Stefan (and other >>> people) agreed with it: how about we map ibuffer to C-x C-b by default >>> in Emacs-24? >>> >>> ibuffer is a superset of list-buffers, and it provides many things >>> that list-buffers does not. >>> >>> >> >> If a significant majority of experienced Emacs users prefer to use >> ibuffer instead of list-buffers (which is what I believe) what is the >> problem with making this change? > > Thinking like a suitor rather than a programmer. > > Making a choice between two different feature sets that both have > deficiencies is the wrong thing to do if we can instead create a version > that does not contain the particular weaknesses of either. > Binding C-x C-b only changes a key binding. This has nothing to do with modifying list-buffers or ibuffer, neither does it affect anyone with the intentions of doing that. -- Deniz Dogan