From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280764603 29100 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2010 15:56:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Tom To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 02 17:56:39 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfxNQ-0002kd-TG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:56:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OfxNO-0006Fa-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:56:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59507 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OfxNG-0006Cu-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:56:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfxNC-0006bz-2g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:55561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfxNC-0006bs-0R; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so1838262qyk.0 for ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qZEBF6WRLaVsqhvuPeIPWIiGub9F6koTdUOsqbb6vAQ=; b=nAmT8FFAP4K2q0w17aK5Ltj1sWPtpl59PcBYz3SNZ3BmzUs5Zj2e5JjLTgcIQhHBgw YC60TkZIQ3oVyiPI11c6mgVOQYX9C++keiGU5ChownXYyHu6q77R+nlN40anBEOBVkFh VRkcD66x43601kt5uCUb8ZJoJZY/RGN1+rxg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xPpueIUYwIE27bPbKgiZ16sukYkQVA/E2zRM799IJFBbDQw8ApxkjX9hKfik88vIg6 AOhiTfymgetctKAY1A3NEcwsDCZljjPXtWGWPpNmx38LrybL24DMtqHnK7ge4PJGjCFF fuAbGYF11P9mTUG+hDd52VH5nRbO6bea/qvxQ= Original-Received: by 10.229.10.205 with SMTP id q13mr227401qcq.295.1280764577198; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:55:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128129 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> >> Is there a compelling reason to still use yank/kill, >> instead of copy/cut/paste? >> > From the Emacs manual: >> >> Maybe we should make a concerted effort to change the terminology. >> If someone could go through the manual and docstrings to replace >> yank=3D>paste (and kill =3D> cut|copy), and also find new names for >> variables, functions, and commands (which will need aliases >> so both the new and old names work), that would be a good start. >> I'd be happy to review such a patch. > > Is it a joke? Trying to make someone look ridiculous only works if you can convince people that group thinking is good. (Maybe that will work here, but in that case there is perhaps no meaning trying to continue.) > It is better to have different names from the common, whether the Emacs n= ame is > "kill" or "froobarb". =C2=A0Emacs kill is not the same as cut, etc. but i= t is > sufficiently similar that using the same name will cause confusion and > frustration. I believe cut/copy/paste are suffiently generic to fit most users mind. Subtle unnecessary differences should be cured in my opinion.