From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:08:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275927473 32198 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 16:17:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 18:17:52 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLf1I-0002vf-AM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:17:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLf1H-0007JU-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:17:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57791 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLet3-0000pr-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:09:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLet2-0004bZ-IR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:63801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLet2-0004bJ-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:09:16 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so1205458bwz.0 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9zw5Mezv9Vx5kAEP12hoOyWQ/X0uhbZtOgYlDJBWJ5w=; b=mNxyMUf9BDF5eISYu6eEoZRXhRK58u1k4pmoLUdjA/Cy2wFj7x7m56bBDx4lpCCAxn VpsV3vudyo9XGoeOWuDpsdryOjO28Vf4SXf2iKRxn4Gg9Vg4gMuflLGdpm5l8O6Ehuse Fdcz7wKxtqWScf8V/+H+ezZuBVJuPYv7fMP/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TmH2bqdU71BTZNk4I2HHUpAE1LUHvEFafLR4VRvbalhcE6ibalwfOPJthclLQVygm+ 9lUpba7Gm9Vlc4zDiB03lr14CF4WVT3XrobUVCoZw0xBvB4z7lkhPcqUfa6IjnqW9qyq 06M+r/arLuf/XqYh16h4mTs9ZmvD51cMsqP7Q= Original-Received: by 10.204.8.220 with SMTP id i28mr6968484bki.204.1275926954277; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.204.32.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125592 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 17:19, Stefan Monnier wro= te: > Actually, the arrow keys don't do "visual motion". =C2=A0They just use > logical motion like C-f/C-b except that they switch direction depending > on the current paragraph's default direction (i.e. right-arrow will > still move left when in an R2L piece of text within an L2R paragraph, as > can be seen in the arabic text in the HELLO file). Moving around that line, I see no difference between using and C-f. What am I doing wrong? Juanma