From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:33:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <87hbjr9x71.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3uf9vb2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280061236 14973 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2010 12:33:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Wojciech Meyer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 14:33:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od0Ov-0000os-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:33:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49174 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od0Ou-0003EJ-Nc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=32964 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od0Oo-0003EE-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:33:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od0On-0005fK-9b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:33:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:40666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od0On-0005fD-6g; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:33:45 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so5164327qwk.0 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=++O0oW7hSX1pFFHeVbZ/xdGE8RdhZ35bgqVEB29YDJ4=; b=k+p8MeBsQmPQ5Ad2SFTXTQ0JMTD5xcbZf5PcSVmqKmURf0/E3cKh/a1akYuYJri/YF xAwpyppeJfZasZdZIr+tSXLEtkGcm4qDF5f+pKpQeUpT65lZnM6eTlXbLidNoI9Rki/3 xYcbia9EmLpSMrLnlxp1b10pg0j192VZoWLEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=mcqXVikBfanKpDcJqGWBMZThvHST+tjxyt/nRnn+8TpDI9ExuX5PNzxtgKC9m4m7Ux JcQ6eVAcVhhvFYyZMJTuniiFLwyo//siEylMDrPkpjRDobNni8TqAymRHCBogAj9sQmD wLmZd9kpLiE3xSJld0BepUZ7ckFUxi+hR/AuM= Original-Received: by 10.224.36.15 with SMTP id r15mr4708301qad.333.1280061224180; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.5.72 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:33:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127759 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Wojciech Meyer wrote: > So what the vim users say? Out of curisoity. Sent from mobile... I have tried vim, but switched to Emacs. The reason? Before trying vim I used a proprietary vi port on w32 that supported CUA. When that was no longer supported I tried vim, but at that time vim did not support CUA. That is how I come to consider Emacs again since I read it now had a better vi emulation mode than the old vip-mode. (In my opinion both vi-mode and vip-mode should be marked obsolete and phased out as soon as possible.) I would not even consider using Emacs without a vi emulation mode. I tried it before and found it was just too much trouble. Vi is much faster for editing for me. Interestingly enough vim now has CUA support. So I believe the reason that Emacs does not have CUA support is not that the current primary possible user base (which is probably about the same as vim) does not want CUA.