From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:51:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83eigclgf0.fsf@gnu.org> <89C16A134A024399A06EFE296DC6916F@us.oracle.com> <83r5kcjkpp.fsf@gnu.org> <83ljakjdv2.fsf@gnu.org> <83hbl8jb2u.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276372301 32403 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 19:51:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 21:51:40 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONWjz-0005bH-Ey for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:51:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45503 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONWjy-0000RB-HC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60573 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONWjr-0000Pd-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONWjq-0007Fi-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:40497) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONWjq-0007FZ-5c; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:30 -0400 Original-Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so1943478gyg.0 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qF0WWiA79KRnKRpm7DnjC+mufiygpbhCZmpFYIp2Ius=; b=gvyq3rHCtPdrHp2EgoSnJpHsVdEAj2Garf1V2v3eyAHwyZewMUUEJIrTCI90aS8clS yat6w9NeDUWOgohEIZoyjtcHGSWVUaLM7WFdLuj72f8AYS+zSjJ1mUtn2dzsBYAF/O+K TsALXlWMzGEwM6SKr1laR8SNWDx5qq7RESclA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PGT+HIskXieK0NvD/pDBrwO9PTk9PQOv0/P83vkZnr/p3GNl2+U1UNMLLXfVx319mX LzjvlJ4/minKXhzE+iHmoyk5VSm65GRi5FwG4zNuJp8z/ck67LKnXLDwkDUREa6a4qK+ nnDe1hT5fOOSko/p91YJxpzQYwxyojsrSIHIA= Original-Received: by 10.101.205.6 with SMTP id h6mr3222221anq.179.1276372289152; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.154.15 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83hbl8jb2u.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125841 Archived-At: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > >> > No, it's not an implementation detail. =C2=A0Emacs stores text in file= s, >> > and those files also use the logical order. =C2=A0As soon as text is s= aved >> > on a file, the order of characters is not longer internal to Emacs. >> >> Is not this is precisely what makes it an implementation detail? > > No. I see what you mean. For plain text files which Emacs handles this is true. This was not what I meant.