From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278721759 6749 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2010 00:29:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "fplemma@gmail.com" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , "rms@gnu.org" , "joakim@verona.se" , christian.lynbech@tieto.com To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 10 02:29:17 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXNwQ-0003Ux-JU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:29:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXNwQ-00023F-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48260 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXNwK-000230-Py for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXNwJ-0008IQ-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:64644) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXNwJ-0008II-BW; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:29:07 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so3552232iwn.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=uOfyNM1xwQHWpdulFXwM7kP/X3wTYLL6bC5USpYXmvo=; b=RayNnju50FPJABEcSqSLKCriTaJWmpaF4ng8ev74ylu3N0jPNNipqiCmIA6C6/JzoD VF1vHN+lRu4G5RPkFWbAIgTpGaoUw8MiEelTMi6M2hFELsklNQqPXLSFquAuvRnKszLD Zxpp2EGaVcv7go1fyZGVPLKsZLEyDP7pmCSfA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=A3dowoDSa3Et+zLKhTIA0sm8yVmBWB+7XwOscda9hGSEJZl/cw0OKKzqllCpmaUTwC ZXZjFwasr4YyibWNZxY/sSA2c2XCoIApfCOiVoSqPkB/K98VXBlKkLP+gHtk4x3ndxeD sZ9AaqtCAN2VuikhRfzDZAr6QN53iuPL3Cm6I= Original-Received: by 10.231.166.72 with SMTP id l8mr11019479iby.95.1278721746292; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.170.83 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:28:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126977 Archived-At: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 02:11, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> Believe whatever you want. Or look into it. You might even be right, I >> did this long ago. > > You seem to forget that I *did* (look into it) long ago. That's what > I'm talking about. I told you at that time how to do the merge. You seemed to believe it could be done another way. Maybe you are right, but to me the way you wanted to do it looked like much more work. I ran out of time. >> I have done the work. I simplified it to what it is now. If that is >> not accepted then just skip it. > > I'll be ready to "skip it" the day you're ready to stop accussing > Emacs developers of ignoring your work every time you've got the > opportunity. > > Perhaps you should be brave enough to accept that Emacs+EmacsW32 is a > fork, because you're *not* interested in doing work to get most of > these changes accepted back into mainstream Emacs. I have told some times now that I am not interested in keeping the patches. I have thrown away some because I do not have time for all the merging. I do not accuse you of anything. I am just telling how I see the situation. Getting the thoughts behind the changes I suggest often takes too much time - even if I write the first part of the patch. Take for example the recent discussion about the display engine. There was too many misunderstandings so in the end I thought it was best to just drop it. Is someone is really interested I have left the explanations already.