From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bernardo Barros Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:32:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163628460acbe380048b0cbc04 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278786784 28280 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2010 18:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 10 20:33:01 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeqw-0003Wj-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:33:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXeqY-0001ug-F5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:32:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57439 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXeqS-0001ub-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:32:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeqR-00076f-LB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:63974) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXeqR-00076W-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so2534272gxk.0 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FWmNyYyP0c0CYMKeBhhKtRztyaC3iHpDo7FXbbJQwro=; b=a6ZoiaGMAJAPIEymlrzegViJhwJyo21Tedx7iT5Oh0WMjByjb/5oxLzgYvXQ8bDVBb k5mc7XKfg6dCvKopJ30A7kjuUD8hly+RYQBV14Rt8/ZvnauNdZm6uZdsWIzSwr1S4XD3 y+EcBhqEA7P0x+2mfOEJzPXK8XiuCHtOEiLJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kXIlXmqiMgexHeJlxQJa0YqbmMLt7LNWqDC0UwYdcGfgorhXSLLf68wemEbQcF47bn U6BF3FjfadAgSSqLJAh7bQDTMT6aGwgtuw588dY+ZExn1Rj6SWT+weFR6vCUVH94WKo5 F0Nr1Rh3m/oCeSKKDHz12NSKEhJ6CDi01ZegY= Original-Received: by 10.90.56.12 with SMTP id e12mr7709213aga.179.1278786730188; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.15 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127005 Archived-At: --00163628460acbe380048b0cbc04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reasons to change: there is not a very strong reason to fight for a mere terminology as if this terminology would do something for us. It doesn't do anything positive. As a text editor with a long history it has to change, it will probably survive existent hardware and operating systems, but it can`t forget what hardware and the standards that happens to occur at a preset time. I think this is important for Emacs as a eternal uberhardware being. 2010/7/10 Tom > Alfred M. Szmidt gnu.org> writes: > > > > > I doubt that words like yank, kill, point, etc hinder new users from > > using emacs. The argument seems extremly weak. > > > > > > As Lennart said before the little things add up. The more unfamiliar > things the new user encounters the more time and effort he needs to > invest to try emacs and it can be a turn off. > > There is no reason to use the word yank for an operation which practically > every other system calls paste. It's one of those totally unnecessary > roadblocks for newbies in emacs. > > > > > --00163628460acbe380048b0cbc04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reasons to change: there is not a very strong reason to fight for a mere te= rminology as if this terminology would do something for us. It doesn't = do anything positive. As a text editor with a long history it has to change= , it will probably survive existent hardware and operating systems, but it = can`t forget what hardware and the standards that happens to occur at a pre= set time. I think this is important for Emacs as a eternal uberhardware bei= ng.


2010/7/10 Tom <levelhalom@gmail.com>
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Alfred M. Szmidt <ams <at> gnu.org> writes:

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> I doubt that words like yank, kill, point, etc hinder new users from > using emacs. =C2=A0The argument seems extremly weak.
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As Lennart said before the little things add up. The more unfamiliar<= br> things the new user encounters the more time and effort he needs to
invest to try emacs and it can be a turn off.

There is no reason to use the word yank for an operation which practically<= br> every other system calls paste. It's one of those totally unnecessary roadblocks for newbies in emacs.





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