From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:01:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.49448.125000.756012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281028908 10204 80.91.229.12 (5 Aug 2010 17:21:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 05 19:21:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oh48P-0008JP-D4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:21:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51510 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oh48I-00051Y-G3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39160 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oh2pA-0003SY-Uk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oh2p5-0002Wi-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:39312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oh2p5-0002WZ-QL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:57:35 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so5393128qyk.0 for ; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9m3RDL5mImSaqAY6wtR7sgln0K7Ds0JhsMBNercY0HM=; b=KKxoh108EA8S6GdPhqXI/QfQuPbaHSxjoxyMz2uM0wi5lmS/n4YbJ+viLW2xt4NTBc m4OPgeDYxusDRWIe4orT+wkqoNP1ShRN1KFwNzb44gmC6UdfbI+0oXaKHjZhmrYWuT+8 qUvdO/9/j5AR3cm9A7e46X/I1O1n05P8pM1lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=opU29EG8knuenYq+VY4QsFTKpsaU6dd1AEygOfZ+DhCuIu3U7m6YdQooB9YORDmCy/ b4Bzf39+9HnQGyJc4ojDl9xzuI9d3gJCU9lEyaEuhgQJIOKM+KHAmSY/leF4p+uw5Itc YNd/RKkNiRISREHALFMwThHrTuhN3sVDCjHfw= Original-Received: by 10.224.69.169 with SMTP id z41mr377268qai.160.1281016889353; Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19546.49448.125000.756012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128308 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Uday S Reddy wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> You can not override Alt-TAB so that you can use it to switch w32 >> windows is because ms has decided it to work that way. >> >> However in Emacs META-TAB is frequently used for completion functions. >> That can not work on w32 (and with some other window managers if I >> understood it correctly). > > Indeed, I have gotten used to doing ESC-TAB for completion, which is a > bit of a chore I admit. =C2=A0Ok, so, it is quite useful to remap the > Windows key but it doesn't seem criticial. You can not use ESC-TAB if you are using Viper. (Which I and many others do= .) So it is critical. >> >I can momentarily depress Alt to activate the menubar. >> >> Can you? Please give more details. > > I was trying to recall if I did anything special to get it but > couldn't. =C2=A0So, I looked up O'Reilly's Windows XP in a Nutshell. =C2= =A0It > says under "Keyboard Accelerators", > > "In any any window that has a menu, press the Alt key or the F10 key > to active the manu bar, and use the cursor keys to move around. =C2=A0Pre= ss > Enter to activate the currently selected item or Esc to cancel." > > Then it goes on to talk about using Alt+letter to go directly to > a particular menu. > > What I can't do in Emacs is the latter. =C2=A0I can't press Alt+F to go t= he > File menu. =C2=A0In Firefox/Thunderbird, I can. =C2=A0To me personally, t= hat is > not a big price to pay. =C2=A0You might think otherwise. I can either press Alt and then F to open the file menu. Can you?