From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sjx7z7w4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pqsbmf6j.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4ijz07h.fsf@telefonica.net> <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> <57BF13882D6E494286547F293FE9D03B@us.oracle.com> <87lj2pfo81.fsf@wanadoo.es> <12B9F2D504D54D759E43154D6084E77D@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294957884 26617 80.91.229.12 (13 Jan 2011 22:31:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= , Stuart Hacking , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Deniz Dogan To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 13 23:31:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdVhM-000570-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:31:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdVhM-0006Mv-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:31:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40047 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdVhH-0006Mq-Qm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:31:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdVhG-00062t-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:31:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:36867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdVhG-00062i-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:31:10 -0500 Original-Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so1122754ewy.0 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lHpJzEwjymGGNvEM4A4Ce9v4P001dRf6Xw1ZqjmDj+E=; b=DVbOTh3HcmVJuywGSXj76EqCeV1MpWo3SflS2riPvV1zGDTY04pwE9yP64SFTF/ljT CMs8phGGrEPCiC8g12V6zePcobmAw3OhFfvj0S+MTGYRKTe7zilPrWjHNnCiLmSmmauf 7kbKa87UHnmu1O0MIsOl+cpHLzE/LDG5DaSEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D6L8LJpyr8/UVtBjQ0zR1HanuSE+NtMf2naBBsli7FAWkHFuSzQFH+bWJFVqOvausI nzbh+kMR6IxtawspsEDX/UP8jzgzimfuZ0x1NkefKnAn5GAsmwLQzz2k5CQKPBfYfzZL XEi+XJK1CapQZpzqlUJPuxb0fyFbSyZ2qhcsM= Original-Received: by 10.213.28.147 with SMTP id m19mr978649ebc.97.1294957869136; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:31:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:30:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12B9F2D504D54D759E43154D6084E77D@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134500 Archived-At: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > > Just what is the real rationale behind this move? =C2=A0Let's be clear, p= lease. Would it be enough to say that the in the system menu there is an entry "Close Alt+F4" but it does not work now because Emacs breaks it? What do you believe a new user thinks when (s)he sees this? And regarding your effort to try to stop this: In the long run I believe we must change the key bindings. Or die.