From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:04:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87aaoqjzge.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281715873 29215 80.91.229.12 (13 Aug 2010 16:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juanma Barranquero To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 13 18:11:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjwqW-0002Gv-H8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:11:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57667 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OjwqT-00062n-PW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53247 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ojwkh-0002LV-PV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojwkg-0000OO-8F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:60273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojwkg-0000Nz-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so3298981qyk.0 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7kn+jvBz8IzDQGcgik+D9NWepBd6CJEXAxnKp12SQdc=; b=gVvtrrdq8O9TuluSrHowzLLQxExFHJdbhbdFvdFHs2hwQeFoqz7VU9YTMQBs849l/t TE4BcYCkYlYVJ2cxeq5F/pk/RK8CBMic5yMSCaq50omRzHg8HrvXbnCyHnosDBs0zhP3 K98uRA3H3M8niVGBN2HdpK7NMrKA/7MKeavN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PKIMeSloyguv8uGbD2b5Apxj47RcJjDBwL5czCOv+3uqV/R5Tr2sXX/7D9C/Nx+O45 VVbH26/W+f9CyPVXbOGLQvENvzZdR2X4B+1h/SHWiEf8mz9sVmZVlsCpELwrCiIMmW1i c0edXepw8dS8ITJhKUETrIHmGlgzkLt72GxwA= Original-Received: by 10.229.51.210 with SMTP id e18mr1367604qcg.249.1281715501164; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.54.80 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87aaoqjzge.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128618 Archived-At: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Uday S Reddy writes: > >> Hi guys, I am not sure where this discussion is headed. =C2=A0Whether th= ese >> applications of the windows key are "useful" or not is for the users >> to determine, is it not? > > The problem is that Lennart's proposed solution seems to be the wrong > one. =C2=A0If you want to rebind the Windows key to a modifier key, the > conceptually correct way to do it should be via a separate program, > separate from Emacs. ?? Where did you get this from? If that was the case then the "conceptually correct way to" rebind the Alt key would also be a separate program, or? Beside that it would not solve the problem that Emacs on w32 does not allow people which needs sticky keys to use it, i.e. it does not allow access for some disabled people. > That is exactly how it is done on GNU/Linux That is maybe how it is organized on GNU/Linux. That is not the way it is organized on w32. > (where conventions like Alt-TAB are commonly respected, nowadays). Might be interesting. Exactly what do you mean by "commonly respected"? > If there is any technical reason why this cannot be done on Windows, I > have not yet seen anyone argue it. ??