From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-Ret: cua and icicles Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:33:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <28642650.post@talk.nabble.com> <30E9CD913F7940E5A0F92DD74C1BA186@us.oracle.com> <28661114.post@talk.nabble.com> <7E04312E9C7D401EAF6BDCAB75409BE9@us.oracle.com> <31B7D5DF50C84ECE9ACA11AC1914C8F8@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274740487 26040 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2010 22:34:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dirk80 , "Kim F. Storm" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 25 00:34:46 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgEO-0003fM-Ha for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 May 2010 00:34:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39254 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGgEN-0002Lv-Nh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35593 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGgDt-0002J3-1r for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgDj-0001Hz-Jd for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:34275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgDj-0001Hm-HN for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so2520798gyg.0 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GLrYxMzVsVs8EBlV4GVnfJ4zhUOrxIHxpv0Zri+Ph9Q=; b=IGc7jtYdcqMFscwpK7jPjg38QXCGxSJXrpusuRJyCebzyu67OQ9okcBEmTX7CaOC2F TF0ggUWCVn8S09CGUwdAUbH0Mb8olkAqcoIbnDDpoe/UfWyO5e+YuLmvKZV8CNS7tFqE cxNA5v4m2veU0Q4GLv49x/fCuGhQ+XdPVViVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=atdnrQYqinrB6TFkLBRHDAMD4EwEAY8Cf0m6s6IqwppxRPdByYKsH9tvumFxDUX+lT qy/qEBK/MygcIXKkEDmnP/gC8rc75LlSPCF3F2f+GoUfE8IA+d9fizTT1zWkykxU7a1X LdngFcFnnq9JbE7czyDaVpVZ59nQvmV6CV1tc= Original-Received: by 10.101.6.29 with SMTP id j29mr7020195ani.155.1274740442629; Mon, 24 May 2010 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.177.20 with HTTP; Mon, 24 May 2010 15:33:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <31B7D5DF50C84ECE9ACA11AC1914C8F8@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73760 Archived-At: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > > Your point was that users should not have to deal with such customization= , that > "Icicles should of course try to do this, not you". =C2=A0Now you are say= ing that a > user can take care of it himself by customizing cua-mode. =C2=A0That's no= doubt good > for users to know, but it does not speak to your point. Yes, maybe I went to far but I felt I have to clear up some misunderstandings in what you wrote. User will have to deal with it. But this information was mainly meant for you. You can detect this bad situation and tell the user how to overcome it. If you are want to grab a key that is used by a major component in Emacs that many users are using I think that helps quite a bit. > I tried to explain the interaction among the keymaps etc. Yes, but you did not get it right. Your description that cua-mode "is just one mode among a multitude of possible modes" is highly misleading. It is an emulation mode and that is very important. However the rectangle thing is not part of the emulation of CUA and should IMO not be in that keymap. It should rather be a separate, normal minor mode.