From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:04:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278673509 12592 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2010 11:05:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "fplemma@gmail.com" , "rms@gnu.org" , "joakim@verona.se" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: christian.lynbech@tieto.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 09 13:05:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXBOE-0000y2-Dw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:05:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51555 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXBOD-0001xB-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59469 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXBO3-0001vw-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXBO2-0000re-BS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:04:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:40817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXBO2-0000rU-64; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:04:54 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so506307ewy.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=qK//FeJzL5yNvZiPBCJ6WthSfZE29vg9llsZjQFVJu0=; b=CTsmpRJ4SfJvPv+vIXbIyrsIplm8yM3OmG38SeVYtTd4nvtRW1e1WQaMPyf431PSbJ 7jVi2zriJCISSpbnBq8D3s/mO5YI19NfwJZImQHJi6MkpK2tL9FqWfFxpMyV5hfu89t8 avXNhFEmCy5i+uaJv7Pki5/WhlZCHcPpGi4BY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=BwZv7/pp66LjoxxWqacw9cXieRijbN6Fsv7VpWp9J2LN+mlpfSjDoHtzlIRwynbIrw NKBxMJhl4TnBzLdQNii6KUbuNWDzlbjzObccfiOqcEr06gx+3DfcBAmPnxQFBRW2VixX W0g8ZHyFOHC8Pn/ocrwN2Z7eaaP2BSucIFGuw= Original-Received: by 10.213.14.81 with SMTP id f17mr7850989eba.33.1278673493231; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.213.15.132 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 04:04:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126942 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, wrote: > > One thing I have noted with people using vi/vim is that they tend to > have multiple vim instances in different xterms. It is surprisingly (at > least to me) hard to teach them to open only one emacs instance and > fetch files into that rather than trying to do it the vim way where you > start a new emacs for each new file you want to work on. If that is one's > mode of operation I have no problem understanding why emacs feels > awkward. I am sure it is part of the problem. And the reason for it is IMO partly that emacs client does not start Emacs by default. (It does in the patched version of Emacs+EmacsW32 however.)