From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:18:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83fx0slhxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqzwjkn9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276359534 27926 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 16:18:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, dak@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 18:18:52 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONTQ0-00008L-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:18:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONTPz-0001Xu-CX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57816 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONTPs-0001X3-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:18:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONTPq-0003lL-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:18:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:51841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONTPq-0003lF-SW; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:18:38 -0400 Original-Received: by yxf34 with SMTP id 34so149970yxf.0 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7m/uFVP8AO6o5UR3UGlFiZ0w3ZNym+CauahWopVqdR8=; b=Pmh7xWBqDrLvO2lIDR03txp9DBQOXchRig/Y8FGpw+Vr4iROlSujZ3L5P6PBWlLmDm nl7ZHBxAB1UCPXAv0uiuDJed+6QFQPB26x3nTPVcwr/uX4BNVU6jVs+wOPmByYNIuWcg hoG+Mv52VPgby9yjVYd11oMVqtQmDgnpUDZmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BE1gAojzSiYRUXZJAmcFz/ewJIB4+pgSp103qMADdL4Hc9DKMlsEcDASf4UZY22mMk kX6751YzM2/imIhD0yhCM4hLcxdt0KuTAD0feHC53pfwMdp7YVyvtsJ4vxESwK5FY3KV tbcdmvl45KWVxNgvH6UE3yDLuQbRUxJNtMf5o= Original-Received: by 10.101.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr3029850ani.54.1276359518088; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.154.15 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:18:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83pqzwjkn9.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125823 Archived-At: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:49:25 +0200 >> Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, dak@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@g= nu.org >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> From: Lennart Borgman >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:09:44 +0200 >> >> Cc: Chong Yidong , Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM, James Cloos wrot= e: >> >> > >> >> > In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically. >> >> >> >> Seems like a mistake to me. >> > >> > What is the mistake? =C2=A0What do you think James described by the ab= ove >> > sentence? >> >> I read it as meaning that the arrow keys does not always move >> visually. (I.e. right arrow keys could move to the left.) > > Only when the bidirectional context changes, e.g. you traverse a R2L > text in a L2R paragraph. This does not seem good to me. >> Are you saying that the right arrow key etc will always move visually >> to the right? > > No. =C2=A0Cursor motion works in the logical order, not in the visual > order. I think the default should be that cursor keys (and keys like page up/down) should move visually. If someone want them to move logically that is ok and it should be easy to fix if there are commands that move logically to rebind to.