From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: immanuel litzroth Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:09:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <87bpabls4a.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279012187 23871 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 09:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 11:09:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbUl-0003Hb-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:09:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYbUk-0000uC-QE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:09:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50915 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYbUb-0000rq-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbUY-0007cv-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:09:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:39789) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbUX-0007co-Sx; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so4573559wyj.0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:09:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Br9z0Diq+rIQGFU8eUKZG0KSsV/vi5lP1gyqt8E6MBQ=; b=DZe3YtXRIHMT6dPskq/GRB8rAXpv9HEY3LcipuGs1OrmmPTF00XMh931lrUbgsPHSw DLycSNptj6UAgC6ktuS/ndBxRd+pvnGsR5zi3biAN/MBKkvVJDwoxMctvHrXqIaN58eq esvWBoE6mhPhis877K+GGASkVb946QxX3/8Q0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KPiB+0aIwIXgPi2uB0q6ZoKsjX4MpPx+koGTc9KOlEdmpE1fpi+0QFGhGGF3jwcNj/ M9472a0OSyXlET5xUAVpIjmWvmw0aDDTGtz73FhS0WEaUp1EoHNRgK69Ii0K1Hh5t+Hh zVsJd/Svko2gPFW4JOU9gnomotNBBtSV6cE4I= Original-Received: by 10.227.137.81 with SMTP id v17mr13835172wbt.128.1279012168889; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.220.143 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:09:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bpabls4a.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127159 Archived-At: > One problem with learning Emacs is that you have to learn it new for > each language, and every person writing language support has to create > it new from almost scratch. Almost from scratch? There is support for highlighting, code indentation, running inferior interpreters, running debuggers... -- There is a unified mode for debuggers that does perldb, pythondb, ocamldb, gdb.... I wouldn't say that is almost from scratch. Code completion is just irealistic without compiler/interpreter support. Moreover the competition isn't doing much better... In my job we have at two recent emacs converts -- from vi and/or eclipse -- and two more coming once they decide they've had enough of doing ocaml in vi -- we do c++ on linux and ocaml and python. Immanuel