From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: immanuel litzroth Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:07:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278968852 7706 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 21:07:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 23:07:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYQDq-0006C7-69 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:07:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58689 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYQDp-00024D-Dq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:07:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50862 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYQDc-0001yK-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:07:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYQDb-0002D0-E3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:47472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYQDb-0002Cq-A4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:07:15 -0400 Original-Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so4236851wyj.0 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rSotbtsKyZ5HiJ3LTiKddkhz3v51h+YFkw4Kl8Ap1Gw=; b=T+oBPP0NrK3Rvp3S+wbQYkaNydLNxv+jAXTtUbqtANCpgPAISr4WiOuM2WHjByYlkT jiCFcFGHN2PH7jHcZqdejt/wJAa32n+ohdYJMhVREO4r3xaGm8v6d4hMSfud/cfEI6QR C2HmA2nhFQTpYnC/EdmgNxqnzvsyvtXbTV7CQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=i+l5VhWZyUg3YTeE1d+OVWi2y78e7vv8v3IEPVBDS60v22VfhmzdCjuLCdF8S8KDpt Lq+WTu9rN731hEp1sb8dg6fLTRrzn312OwkM2B9okqqHhRSmV4ecnW43zgnjb3Nr1IBI jF5niROKrt1E2Bl1QJ4hv4F6Jfa3B1IGG7pqw= Original-Received: by 10.216.132.166 with SMTP id o38mr4299277wei.16.1278968833220; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.220.143 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127123 Archived-At: > Emacs does just the opposite. See how people on this discussion says "of > course the new Emacs user will read the Tutorial etc." I was able to > write and run a basic application on a language that I barely know, > using a IDE for the first time, in less time that it takes to read the > Emacs tutorial. Translating the 5000 LOC Visual Basic application to C# > required less time than I needed for learning and configuring Emacs for > matching the usability level of my previous editor, ten years ago (and > now it wouldn't require much less work.) Good, how does this IDE do for Lisp on Linux or Haskell on MacOSX? Can you give more info about this IDE? Immanuel