From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sjx7z7w4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pqsbmf6j.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4ijz07h.fsf@telefonica.net> <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> <57BF13882D6E494286547F293FE9D03B@us.oracle.com> <87lj2pfo81.fsf@wanadoo.es> <846FACC9499A447287432A783EBC1ED1@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295045059 7679 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2011 22:44:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: PJ Weisberg , Emacs-Devel devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 14 23:44:14 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdsN9-0003iT-Rq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:44:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43275 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdsN6-0003Is-Bk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:43:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51172 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdsN2-0003IB-9C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:43:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdsN0-0006QZ-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:43:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:58085) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PdsN0-0006QR-Pz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:43:46 -0500 Original-Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so1719778eyh.0 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NFLAWLPnMogln5FnEFmQYUgY10AnPYV6pX9NN8qUAAo=; b=hS7gedkqHXwe+rdmAlosYIKtkd0itepI3cn/psbmUO1g69Z+yqd3kDNrJu2qdm1MC4 +tLDX/5TNfrFv2VuOfRnUTcT+6olWBh97ewQ7JfGI35p7pDlR3RrG/moMhPQS+sDr4xn Z2u7XVQhrELeAbFwm7fRiHZPbK5AbIzFXH9OE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b6dqco6K4Ju/eHPcOys9G2ud9N5zOonM2AETdL1JocE4Ypldd1+u12+oW0R+bEkHuv jH4m3QgHoQaW1rAFL6k/f/SyOl5JIp+Rof58X5nKm7HQ5XqRT+ElFWhk2O1JTIaEzyo8 UOwqPKOddBJKG0KrVHG45ZgedL2/1rKeV1rkI= Original-Received: by 10.213.28.12 with SMTP id k12mr1199504ebc.84.1295045025384; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <846FACC9499A447287432A783EBC1ED1@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134549 Archived-At: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> > 2. Giving a default binding to this key will (yes, it seems >> > to) discourage other uses of it in Emacs. =C2=A0Over time, default >> > bindings sometimes become sacrosanct. >> >> As I have already said (but you might have missed) Emacs does bind >> Alt+F4 by default now (but does not use it). Aren't you from that >> perspective actually kind of defending that binding? > > To the extent that I am arguing against Emacs binding M-f4 and not just _= asking > why_ we should bind it: This is not about M-f4, it is about A-f4. > 1. No, I was not aware that it is already bound by default but that bindi= ng does > not work. =C2=A0(I guess that's what you are saying.) =C2=A0Just what do = you mean by that? > On Windows: `C-h k M-' =3D> " is undefined" (and the key does n= ot appear > in the `global-map', at least). Which means that Emacs actively shadows the default binding on w32. Why should Emacs do that?