From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stuart Hacking Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4C57B9DF.1060306@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280823148 11695 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2010 08:12:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 10:12:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgCbj-0001TL-PU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:12:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60370 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgCbi-0004zf-4P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:12:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53037 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgCbb-0004zV-Vj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgCbb-0003L8-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:60186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgCba-0003L2-VX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16so3300505vws.0 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:12:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XBpukpXAH02480mSI1NPCnW6OC6vRwzKlgIkFfIiVSI=; b=Gl5wmTWac+3PYcCCQOyovMs1dM0LVmV5yRQtgsr+dawvQafCiNjEm5uanaAaZMvAcV QHhLdXVvb6ncwjA5w1+lFWqMXal8Ill+YTeKyTR/4rxOWCdmJ1xeNtYU5oTLkSv2V0nM PXCLssnmJ7At2NXNyddDyxX26kznPEFxPgnQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e0ZpF/K+11zX81vE6DMjufBCiQ5qy3JG0/qe331P+kXoI1511wD6BQv8ihO2t3XJGJ 7sVZal98tzyLDoZ7H4tksEUq9EkpH2N358Uufp9gINBnvo2OZQeUGGDYHfv37WeoFO7K esdqop7qgQtedNS6oX8cfjKS6olgPsh6KNdg4= Original-Received: by 10.220.87.69 with SMTP id v5mr4996316vcl.133.1280823130365; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.220.203.3 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 01:11:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C57B9DF.1060306@online.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128178 Archived-At: On 3 August 2010 07:40, Andreas R=C3=B6hler wro= te: > > Hi Stefan, > > with respect to attracting new users, Emacs could > do better right at the entrance: > > Emacs tutorial starts explaining > > =C2=A0NOTICE: The main purpose of the Emacs tutorial is to teach you > =C2=A0the most important standard Emacs commands (key bindings). > > and proceeds that way walking the desert. > > My suggestion: leave the keys aside at the very beginning, > tell user what Emacs is and why it should be used. Would it be a simple first step to promote the 'Emacs Guided Tour' to the top of the help menu? This contains a run-down of features that would be interesting to new users. (By default this is on the start page, but if you disable the start page then it takes two clicks to find.) Would anyone object to renaming the 'Emacs Tutorial' to 'Learn Emacs Shortc= uts'? --Stuart