From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:52:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280919173 30470 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 10:52:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 12:52:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ogbaa-0008Oe-Dm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43479 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ogbaa-0005sF-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43032 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgbaU-0005sA-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:52:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgbaT-0004sV-3j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:52:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:60352) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgbaT-0004sM-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:52:41 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so4023968qyk.0 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 03:52:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hM0HDX9H06zj6mKO2nGTBW/kYDH08c7guh7+jljzJtA=; b=HwN3WBYQv9BSpldFBJGVS5QKhiY26YH7rVv3A7x67paiStFyAVQPltvdeI7HAd/i/Q wNGcKUGtcjnvXiS28WHLmRf1/2MRUokr6AsbVGaoYQ5zBb4YqOGxHwKkQcz16GaPc0g1 3g2oZmCBVy+kOziv2P5owllyFUPoCMBVBS53Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bKWnV0iGk0A5hM+Tvk4gHK1nXLeMwGMHpbdrf12Sbli3XOARNn8swFnTqaJ/4JkHxs TQnICuhjU0H3KgvW1h1L4ckDO+nEnx7uRm0uS0BlDHLLNIMtiLKKSEwvzH9z0PgWjUxF 9ng2v14v5T1BpFseP6Q+I2eeVI0SfjqTbGtuk= Original-Received: by 10.229.106.17 with SMTP id v17mr2116090qco.261.1280919160100; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 03:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:52:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128220 Archived-At: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM, wrote: > > I dont understand this. I normaly have menus disabled, but I enabled > them now to see. In the File menu I have an entry like: > > =C2=A0"Visit new file... C-x C-f" > > Isn't that a "keyboard accelerator"? Yes, but it is not menu accelerators. Those are underlined chars in the menus. (At least on w32 all applications I know of have them, except Emacs.) > Or do you mean there is no obvious way to traverse the menus from the > keyboard? Could we then promote the use of F10 already in the menu bar > text? (f10 is bound to menu-bar-open here) > > perhaps like the 1st line of the help menu or something: > > =C2=A0"Use F10 to start traversing menus with kbd" That is not the standard way to access menus (at least not on w32). You normally use the Alt key to access them. (Here too it is important to notice that with all applications I know of on w32 you can access menus that way. Except Emacs.) Maybe it is still good to tell about f10 since most non-Emacs users are not aware of that.