From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <87hbjr9x71.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3uf9vb2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrsmully.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279942428 21855 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2010 03:33:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 05:33:47 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcVUg-0006mJ-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:33:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35950 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcVUf-0008C2-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:33:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33539 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcVUZ-0008A6-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcVUX-0004wt-Vy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:44352) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcVUT-0004w5-3R; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so702125qyk.0 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:33:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1g/JbMXONqGT/Zt7yTlGKSTX4gzlCPZs4tOQKVUttco=; b=DhjT7r4CENMiqz3TNaQiI71p8Fh3r+3O6o8+/au8UyToHHKtfgd7iKOLes7/xxumm8 fp8mINACJ3yWAnmUNaSSj0KMB4qZ1ByWDET+/zetFXA+t9zrJvx4DrVLxMTNNY8Qna3T Q5I9uGzAvgln597gjPayDwRuj03h/kt5Sr2w0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l0PV5ufBZGAl9wQfNVBaUXRJUwrZmYEebgY14r7BMrDBoDpdkmLqMrWefcZt4P50QU ORYjhto6KffHtvxOBmF6vBRE/TiSj7Cn6Vor/2eZi1ULkATJyvD/8yVj8uz4RanMKPG/ 4z74Yjhwsiuhpdx2xGATtpQOYY5dH9SQUJoHg= Original-Received: by 10.224.104.220 with SMTP id q28mr3384760qao.371.1279942412149; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.5.72 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:33:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wrsmully.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127735 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Miles Bader wrote: > >> Emacs is already mode dependent since it is using keybindings with >> several steps. > > [That is not a mode in the normal sense -- people don't think of "oh, > I'll enter C-x mode, then hit C-s," they think of the entire thing > sequence as a single entity. =C2=A0So the downsides normally attributed t= o > modality don't really apply.] Of course it is a mode in the normal sense, however with a short life. It can create trouble for someone used to CUA keys where you cut with C-x or copy with C-c. >> Of course this work around is not needed any more of CUA would be made >> a first class citizen in Emacs. > > No doubt --- but the costs of doing that (which you constantly seem to > simply ignore) seem very high, and thus it is unlikely to happen. So is not the best to find a way to minimize the cost?