* emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
@ 2010-05-20 23:43 Fritz Kunze
2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Fritz Kunze @ 2010-05-20 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-orgmode
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From: <fkunze@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Bug: loading a small org file crashes emacs - no backtrace [6.36]
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I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some of the
features of org-mode to implement a GTD system.
Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing the text
between the dashed lines (and not including the dashed lines). It took some
time to get a small version of the file that reliably crashes (at least my)
emacs. I could not get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a
windows vista machine.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook:
(archive-done-tasks) -*-
#+STARTUP: indent
#+STARTUP: content
* Tasks
#+CATEGORY: Tasks
** TODO Buy dead companies! Michael Rabson of wsgr says that valuable
patents
can arise through this process. Especially since it takes so long for a
patent to come through. The company may be gone, but the patent might be
valuable.
[2010-05-19 Wed]
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emacs : GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6002)
of 2009-07-29 on SOFT-MJASON
Package: Org-mode version 6.36
current state:
==============
(setq
org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-vars)
org-todo-keyword-faces '(("TODO" :foreground "medium blue" :weight bold)
("APPT" :foreground "medium blue" :weight bold)
("NOTE" :foreground "brown" :weight bold)
("STARTED" :foreground "dark orange" :weight bold)
("WAITING" :foreground "red" :weight bold)
("DELEGATED" :foreground "dark violet" :weight bold)
("DEFERRED" :foreground "dark blue" :weight bold)
("SOMEDAY" :foreground "dark blue" :weight bold))
org-special-ctrl-a/e t
org-agenda-custom-commands '(("d" todo "DELEGATED" nil)
("c" todo "DONE|DEFERRED|CANCELLED" nil)
("w" todo "WAITING" nil)
("W" agenda "" ((org-agenda-ndays 21)))
("A" agenda ""
((org-agenda-skip-function
(lambda nil
(org-agenda-skip-entry-if (quote notregexp)
"\\=.*\\[#A\\]")
)
)
(org-agenda-ndays 1)
(org-agenda-overriding-header
"Today's Priority #A tasks: ")
)
)
("u" alltodo ""
((org-agenda-skip-function
(lambda nil
(org-agenda-skip-entry-if (quote scheduled)
(quote deadline) (quote regexp) "<[^>\n]+>")
)
)
(org-agenda-overriding-header
"Unscheduled TODO entries: ")
)
)
)
org-agenda-files '("~/mydrop~1/todo.org")
org-completion-use-ido t
org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-default
org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t
org-support-shift-select t
org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe)
org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
org-clock-persist 'history
org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO" "APPT" "|" "DONE" "NOTE"))
org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
org-default-notes-file "~/mydrop~1/notes.org"
org-directory "~/OrgProjects"
org-insert-heading-hook '(bh/insert-inactive-timestamp)
org-blank-before-new-entry '((heading) (plain-list-item))
org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-drawers
org-cycle-show-empty-lines
org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
org-publish-project-alist '(("org-notes" :base-directory "~/org-init/"
:base-extension "org" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/" :recursive t
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:headline-levels 4 :auto-preamble t)
("org-static" :base-directory "~/org-init/"
:base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/" :recursive t :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("org" :components ("org-notes" "org-static"))
("publish-tutorial-notes" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/" :base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/"
:recursive t :publishing-function
org-publish-org-to-html :headline-levels 4
:auto-preamble t)
("publish-tutorial-static" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/" :base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/" :recursive t :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("publish-tutorial" :components
("publish-tutorial-notes"
"publish-tutorial-static")
)
("B-inherit" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/org-init" :recursive t
:base-extension "css\\|js" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/B/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("B-notes" :base-directory "~/OrgProjects/B/"
:auto-index t :index-filename "sitemap.org"
:index-title "Sitemap" :recursive t
:base-extension "org" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/B/" :publishing-function
org-publish-org-to-html :headline-levels 4
:auto-preamble t)
("B-static" :base-directory "~/OrgProjects/B/"
:recursive t :base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/B/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("B" :components
("B-inherit" "B-notes" "B-static"))
("Personal-inherit" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/org-init/" :recursive t
:base-extension "css\\|js" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/Personal/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Personal-notes" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Personal/" :auto-index t
:index-filename "sitemap.org" :index-title
"Sitemap" :recursive t :base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Personal/"
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:headline-levels 4 :auto-preamble t)
("Personal-static" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Personal/" :recursive t
:base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Personal/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Personal" :components
("Personal-inherit" "Personal-notes"
"Personal-static")
)
("Epistle-inherit" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/org-init/" :recursive t
:base-extension "css\\|js" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/Epistle/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Epistle-notes" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Epistle/" :auto-index t
:index-filename "sitemap.org" :index-title
"Sitemap" :recursive t :base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Epistle/"
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:headline-levels 4 :auto-preamble t)
("Epistle-static" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Epistle/" :recursive t
:base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Epistle/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Epistle" :components
("Epistle-inherit" "Epistle-notes"
"Epistle-static")
)
("Pandorabots-inherit" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/org-init/" :recursive t
:base-extension "css\\|js" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/Pandorabots/"
:publishing-function org-publish-attachment)
("Pandorabots-notes" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Pandorabots/" :auto-index t
:index-filename "sitemap.org" :index-title
"Sitemap" :recursive t :base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory
"~/public_html/Pandorabots/"
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:headline-levels 4 :auto-preamble t)
("Pandorabots-static" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Pandorabots/" :recursive t
:base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Pandorabots/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Pandorabots" :components
("Pandorabots-inherit" "Pandorabots-notes"
"Pandorabots-static")
)
("Symnosis-inherit" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/org-init/" :recursive t
:base-extension "css\\|js" :publishing-directory
"~/public_html/Symnosis/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Symnosis-notes" :base-directory
"~/OrgProejcts/Symnosis/" :auto-index t
:index-filename "sitemap.org" :index-title
"Sitemap" :recursive t :base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Symnosis/"
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:headline-levels 4 :auto-preamble t)
("Symnosis-static" :base-directory
"~/OrgProjects/Symnosis/" :recursive t
:base-extension
"css\\|js\\|png\\|jpg\\|gif\\|pdf\\|mp3\\|ogg\\|swf"
:publishing-directory "~/public_html/Symnosis/" :publishing-function
org-publish-attachment)
("Symnosis" :components
("Symnosis-inherit" "Symnosis-notes"
"Symnosis-static")
)
)
org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
'(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
org-use-speed-commands t
org-mode-hook '(turn-on-font-lock org-clock-load
#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
[org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all
append local]
5]
)
org-return-follows-link t
org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
org-fast-tag-selection-single-key 'expert
org-agenda-start-on-weekday nil
org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t
org-reverse-note-order t
org-insert-heading-respect-content t
org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
org-from-is-user-regexp nil
org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
'(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
org-remember-templates '((116 "* TODO %?\n %u" "~/mydrop~1/todo.org"
"Tasks")
(110 "* %u %?" "~/mydrop~1/notes.org" "Notes"))
org-icalendar-include-todo t
org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-toc
org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
)
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* Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-20 23:43 emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36) Fritz Kunze
@ 2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
2010-05-22 1:32 ` Fritz Kunze
2010-05-22 5:06 ` Manish
2010-05-22 12:06 ` David Maus
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan Böcker @ 2010-05-21 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Fritz Kunze; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On 05/21/2010 01:43 AM, Fritz Kunze wrote:
> MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook:
> (archive-done-tasks) -*-
If my understanding is correct, archive-done-tasks is evaluated when the
file is loaded, which I guess is not your intention. (You want to set
after-save-hook to '(archive-done-tasks), not to the result of
evaluating (archive-done-tasks)).
I can imagine that this causes the crash (maybe org has not been fully
initialized for that buffer at this point?).
Try quoting (archive-done-tasks) like this:
MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook:
'(archive-done-tasks) -*-
HTH, Jan
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* Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
@ 2010-05-22 1:32 ` Fritz Kunze
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Fritz Kunze @ 2010-05-22 1:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-orgmode
Jan Böcker <jan.boecker <at> jboecker.de> writes:
>
> On 05/21/2010 01:43 AM, Fritz Kunze wrote:
> > MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook:
> > (archive-done-tasks) -*-
>
> If my understanding is correct, archive-done-tasks is evaluated when the
> file is loaded, which I guess is not your intention. (You want to set
> after-save-hook to '(archive-done-tasks), not to the result of
> evaluating (archive-done-tasks)).
>
> I can imagine that this causes the crash (maybe org has not been fully
> initialized for that buffer at this point?).
>
> Try quoting (archive-done-tasks) like this:
>
> MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook:
> '(archive-done-tasks) -*-
>
> HTH, Jan
>
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>
May 21, 2010
Hi Jan,
Thanks for offering a response. I inserted the quote, and sadly, emacs still
crashes.
The code you referred to, I copied verbatim from a note from John Weigley
(see: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/3629). I've been working my
way through John Weigley's wonderful tutorial
(http://www.newartisans.com/2007/08/using-org-mode-as-a-day-planner.html), and
learning by studying his (amazingly good) lisp code. That code, along with
using John's set up, has worked perfectly. I had a very large list of todos and
was happily figuring things out, when suddenly emacs began to consistently
crash. At first I thought it was the archiving stuff and turned it off, but it
did not affect the crashing. Through trial and error, I reduced the file size
to the one I sent out. Strangely, changing just a few characters in this file
(say in the note part), allows emacs to continue working again.
So I remain stumped.
Regards,
Fritz
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* Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-20 23:43 emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36) Fritz Kunze
2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
@ 2010-05-22 5:06 ` Manish
2010-05-22 12:06 ` David Maus
2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Manish @ 2010-05-22 5:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Fritz Kunze; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Fritz Kunze wrote:
>
> From: <fkunze@gmail.com>
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Bug: loading a small org file crashes emacs - no backtrace [6.36]
> --text follows this line--
> I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some of the features of org-mode to implement a GTD system.
> Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing the text between the dashed lines (and not including the dashed lines). It took some time to get a small version of the file that reliably crashes (at least my) emacs. I could not get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a windows vista machine.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> MY TASKS -*- mode: org; fill-column: 78; after-save-hook: (archive-done-tasks) -*-
> #+STARTUP: indent
> #+STARTUP: content
> * Tasks
> #+CATEGORY: Tasks
> ** TODO Buy dead companies! Michael Rabson of wsgr says that valuable patents
> can arise through this process. Especially since it takes so long for a patent to come through. The company may be gone, but the patent might be valuable.
> [2010-05-19 Wed]
I could not duplicate this both with given value for the
after-save-hook and Jan B�cker's suggested modification.
- Windows XP SP2
- GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
- Org-mode version 6.36trans (release_6.36.92.g6733) as of Fri May 21
09:26:04 2010 +0200
Regards
--
Manish
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* Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-20 23:43 emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36) Fritz Kunze
2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
2010-05-22 5:06 ` Manish
@ 2010-05-22 12:06 ` David Maus
2010-05-25 14:46 ` Fritz Kunze
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: David Maus @ 2010-05-22 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Fritz Kunze; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
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Fritz Kunze wrote:
>I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some of the features of org-mode to implement a GTD system.
>Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing the text between the dashed lines (and not including the
>dashed lines). It took some time to get a small version of the file that reliably crashes (at least my) emacs. I could not
>get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a windows vista machine.
Merely I can't reproduce this neither with
Org 6.36trans
GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.2) of
2009-11-02 on raven, modified by Debian
-- David
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* Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-22 12:06 ` David Maus
@ 2010-05-25 14:46 ` Fritz Kunze
2010-05-25 15:52 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Fritz Kunze @ 2010-05-25 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-orgmode
David Maus <dmaus <at> ictsoc.de> writes:
>
> Fritz Kunze wrote:
>
> >I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some of the
features of org-mode to implement a
> GTD system.
>
> >Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing the text
between the dashed lines (and not
> including the
> >dashed lines). It took some time to get a small version of the file that
reliably crashes (at least my)
> emacs. I could not
> >get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a windows vista
machine.
>
> Merely I can't reproduce this neither with
>
> Org 6.36trans
>
> GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.2) of
> 2009-11-02 on raven, modified by Debian
>
> -- David
>
The crashing behavior I reported earlier vanished when I replaced Emacs 23.1
with the latest version of emacs for windows - version 23.2.
-Fritz Kunze
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* Re: Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-25 14:46 ` Fritz Kunze
@ 2010-05-25 15:52 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-31 4:52 ` Juri Krivov
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-05-25 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Fritz Kunze; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On May 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Fritz Kunze wrote:
> David Maus <dmaus <at> ictsoc.de> writes:
>
>>
>> Fritz Kunze wrote:
>>
>>> I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some
>>> of the
> features of org-mode to implement a
>> GTD system.
>>
>>> Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing
>>> the text
> between the dashed lines (and not
>> including the
>>> dashed lines). It took some time to get a small version of the
>>> file that
> reliably crashes (at least my)
>> emacs. I could not
>>> get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a windows
>>> vista
> machine.
>>
>> Merely I can't reproduce this neither with
>>
>> Org 6.36trans
>>
>> GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.2) of
>> 2009-11-02 on raven, modified by Debian
>>
>> -- David
>>
>
> The crashing behavior I reported earlier vanished when I replaced
> Emacs 23.1
> with the latest version of emacs for windows - version 23.2.
Did you use org-indent-mode, or, equivalently
#+STARTUP: indent
??
- Carsten
>
> -Fritz Kunze
>
>
>
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- Carsten
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* Re: Re: emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36)
2010-05-25 15:52 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-05-31 4:52 ` Juri Krivov
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Juri Krivov @ 2010-05-31 4:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Fritz Kunze, emacs-orgmode
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Fritz Kunze wrote:
>
> David Maus <dmaus <at> ictsoc.de> writes:
>>
>>
>>> Fritz Kunze wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a novice org-mode user. I am trying to learn how to use some of
>>>> the
>>>>
>>> features of org-mode to implement a
>>
>>> GTD system.
>>>
>>> Emacs crashes when I load a file (named todobug.org) containing the
>>>> text
>>>>
>>> between the dashed lines (and not
>>
>>> including the
>>>
>>>> dashed lines). It took some time to get a small version of the file
>>>> that
>>>>
>>> reliably crashes (at least my)
>>
>>> emacs. I could not
>>>
>>>> get a backtrace, because emacs simply crashes. I am on a windows vista
>>>>
>>> machine.
>>
>>>
>>> Merely I can't reproduce this neither with
>>>
>>> Org 6.36trans
>>>
>>> GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.2) of
>>> 2009-11-02 on raven, modified by Debian
>>>
>>> -- David
>>>
>>>
>> The crashing behavior I reported earlier vanished when I replaced Emacs
>> 23.1
>> with the latest version of emacs for windows - version 23.2.
>>
>
> Did you use org-indent-mode, or, equivalently
>
> #+STARTUP: indent
>
> ??
>
Hello,
I had a similar problem, and I can confirm it goes away when starting to use
Emacs 23.2
Greetings
Juri
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>> -Fritz Kunze
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>
>
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2010-05-20 23:43 emacs 23.1 crash on small org file (org-version 6.36) Fritz Kunze
2010-05-21 18:50 ` Jan Böcker
2010-05-22 1:32 ` Fritz Kunze
2010-05-22 5:06 ` Manish
2010-05-22 12:06 ` David Maus
2010-05-25 14:46 ` Fritz Kunze
2010-05-25 15:52 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-05-31 4:52 ` Juri Krivov
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