From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The unwarranted scrolling assumption Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:31:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87631jvpzg.fsf@gmail.com> <4C18211C.3070106@harpegolden.net> <87vd9j5neu.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <83sk4misf2.fsf@gnu.org> <83iq5hiiin.fsf@gnu.org> <83fx0lihov.fsf@gnu.org> <838w6cixma.fsf@gnu.org> <83y6ech1oo.fsf@gnu.org> <83ocf8gx7e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fx0jgxk7.fsf@gnu.org> <83eig3gspa.fsf@gnu.org> <83bpb7gp2g.fsf@gnu.org> <837hlvglvh.fsf@gnu.org> <834ogzglaj.fsf@gnu.org> <8339wjgg8w.fsf@gnu.org> <83y6eagb7g.fsf@gnu.org> <83vd9eg9j1.fsf@gnu.org> <83r5k2g1qa.fsf@gnu.org> <83eig1g21p.fsf@gnu.org> <83aaqpfu1m.fsf@gnu.org> <838w69f61l.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277112713 7648 80.91.229.12 (21 Jun 2010 09:31:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 21 11:31:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OQdM5-0001pn-Ut for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:31:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37096 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OQdM4-0003MG-Qu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34686 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OQdLv-0003M6-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OQdLu-00016r-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:31:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:43910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OQdLu-00016l-09; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so2602993gyg.0 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6tNTrQAXwvsvFUmTVEO3Hnd3m9f61ZXQBJ77vYe9+70=; b=liG/0bv60NhFMQmEFUaaB+NBxGux9bDVqsd/eK9IIP71kF2ICxtSmNDIn7l5rPx6GC qVMyR6WtrMpzK+aLigKUXM35Mq9ks9ObPHZY7PcBzFircCPuGBgEokBV1MNxZp0La+Ec 7AI65xRFi/Y/4S2Gn7CBeLMhSZr61btMArvOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BL8/IBd+riJQwB8hWTC7EHBbl1CeC+xnUOpRFf74AMxWHFRZhTnRoD0x44uxCpjQcn ErIEjDznuClcLv4iNStRJWLExCCOmumOd+tRXnC58TNKt+YC4Oxe+Ezod1Yiu7ww9V5l cO1FNSzKxwY9l+BD+iRG0CCI8+gJl2DqTCqXI= Original-Received: by 10.101.128.30 with SMTP id f30mr3505175ann.100.1277112697151; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.154.15 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838w69f61l.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126292 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:13:07 +0200 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> However please send things like this as attachment. There seem to be a >> good chance it gets mangled by mail otherwise. > > I'm using Emacs to send mail. =C2=A0Emacs doesn't mangle anything. OK, if Emacs did not mange anything (or some other mail software in the route) then the result is this of your latest patch: - The original "jumping scrolling" is still there (this was expected by me)= . - The problems around line 702 in window.c (concerning visual-line-mode), which I thought you have tried to address are also still there. So now we are in this situation: I have repeatedly asked for any kind of feed back from you about my patch (which I think is correct). I am not aware that you have sent any. Juanma said that I should explain my patch more carefully to you. I did, but I do not think I have seen any answer to that at all from anyone. Stephen has implied that you are afraid that redisplay will be broken somehow by my patch. You have not said this as far as I know. I think that might be the case, but I would like you to tell more exactly why then. Can you please tell me what you think is the best to do now? What do others think we can/should do?