From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:15:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19557.2279.703000.707743@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4E5480A100044AD58D82F16054CA3CF9@us.oracle.com> <9B6519017AC2466090BA05B2ED7DB0D3@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281716186 31190 80.91.229.12 (13 Aug 2010 16:16:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juanma Barranquero To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 13 18:16:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojwvb-0004yV-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:16:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38595 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OjwvX-0001j0-AZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38050 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OjwvJ-0001gW-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjwvI-0002HA-Fl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:59131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjwvI-0002H5-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so3330124qwk.0 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6W+DZsHE/QypTIYsAJusExBpTmk3b5CHl5NrxpTsXYI=; b=BVMit5NchsoyEmLNQrUlOxUf33mAh8VR8A5obNdsfdHpi9pGm9YQalIQd6QorPYfc0 npmQD2he9qO3saef6yDjGkZFYcSAjDF2OIK7S3v4GUjAFrBhlABHWMXDhZhY93x7zZ9U WgLS7HYTR9DC2eladYmxoH6s1sFvC4n7hSicE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VPf0NSrGbtL0S669je0iXkOMmoVYB1rl2ZH+PxeCU464LfIr4JOasN4WWjDfBBzIGs vfUzeyBfquB1CePJe9EiodbOlN3B1d/dYBhHRyConak8p1/CK8Mp/nibx39fhTZchN/V P8W65hPIlf0MgPMkdyzG0unmtVfJQb7tWSWVM= Original-Received: by 10.224.96.144 with SMTP id h16mr1075826qan.372.1281716159340; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.54.80 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9B6519017AC2466090BA05B2ED7DB0D3@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128621 Archived-At: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> > I would even guess that most Windows users never use the >> > ALT key in a Windows-specific way (except for CONTROL-ALT-DELETE) >> > and never use the Window key at all. =C2=A0For one thing, most are not >> > programmers (another guess), and most interact with Windows using >> > the mouse most of the time, not the keyboard. =C2=A0And >> > my guess is that _very_ few (proportionally) users of >> > Windows use menu accelerators. >> >> Here is a lesson from MS on using MS Word: >> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/ >> work-with-the-keyboard-RZ006078589.aspx?section=3D9 >> >> It mentions explicitly Alt+Letter. > > So what? =C2=A0No one said that menu accelerators do not _exist_. > And no one said that Microsoft has no doc describing them. This is the way MS Word users are educated. People who are mostly programmers or similar might never learn that kind of things. I do not know. But where I was working on the technical university people actually wrote a lot of text too. (And they used tools like MS Words.)