From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:51:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwyvd8sz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280850736 17407 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2010 15:52:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 17:52:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJml-0001bl-2X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:52:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51727 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJmk-0007c5-4b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:52:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40086 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJmf-0007bx-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJmd-0008CJ-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:64322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJmd-0008C5-LU; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so2471301qwk.0 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XBXCcSiwFvRL45yLFoWFmXqnQC1xb5MtW5EdDnvFyPs=; b=XuSPKpYeJoO8UB+l6fyX2SMqVhvuOJaPER4pEujgbdWkNemqa7XcdWiaKC2Wtg7iXy CcVdQcvGsO8p8s33bTqNg+GyNFgEnAmQfWg8h5Gb6+miTtwKAoqQgsX2zna4P5maa5LB w2RrYks8L19COjgR9exeNxWIgpjLAKL9HqD9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TWVt9p/iYfNzsHmSwY/IosOCvlWft5jpOHI4uhSZ+pzYB3Ds6zK9HklVlT5mEpTUjh CuXcYr8eVIRMhYL7xsIlhthc/aCrIJaaBfl9XIqeweiVtUbrcNZA6tZ4zoawbLh43WCq q/nvHrqwsgsqyH//s9M1+/E7wfMpJMfcnQTpk= Original-Received: by 10.229.215.137 with SMTP id he9mr1259308qcb.149.1280850720099; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:51:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fwyvd8sz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128197 Archived-At: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> The problem is that it is very hard to get them accepted. Thousands of >> users using them without trouble does not seem enough. > > They are mostly orthogonal to code acceptance issues. =C2=A0If people tel= l > you what problems keep your code from being mergeable, there is little > point in gathering street support rather than addressing the issues. So you say that if people like the way the patches work and developers here say it is not worth the efforts then I should ... do what? >> Another problem is that this kind of trouble has taken too much time. >> (Not only my time.) > > If you'd rather not have other Emacs developers' time wasted, there are > a few thread topics you could killfile, as your participance is not > likely improving the balance. I think it is. It is ok if you do not like it, but please do not pretend that you know better. If you think I am being unkind or that my arguments really are wrong then I am glad if you tell me.