From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:12:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281651191 13499 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2010 22:13:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 13 00:13:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojg1L-00026i-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:13:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ojg1K-0000Pu-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35642 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ojg1E-0000NH-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojg1D-0002vu-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:13:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:33868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojg1D-0002vo-CX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:12:59 -0400 Original-Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11so827462gyb.0 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c5vMb/oSr774BwDJbBh7YGgoxNBlgeT9gkJbyvP884E=; b=DTwKkA9kKR3VQvVe4v9s2Zmj7CJQP7rAfJszxf6rW2GRAFId7AI+yT4qaxF8pX9yKj DUnnN5tDHKz+1z6fb8yjiej/cK6xiuEpl0NNI+KSILQChNO2KQduLp4OIhrqtF4Sr9TA wOVI6jjmKgkK3E7PgjlJ65+P03j8Av1VwfJ2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Sea8bP5TvYaQZ6pLMCyWFE8c0fOMaoKXKnCSrOC+d2V9KPIIrqifsJtC/vw54/SuiW zB6dhW+3iN21Yb/dZN3OVtttVn5N6kkI0tTBd5v/7nAXa6O+xZmx2X2F7tsiVY7IeeVd DiLEO7U24aJrvqfu7QroJ2wUH9tRhL9+wrpVQ= Original-Received: by 10.231.77.155 with SMTP id g27mr477556ibk.195.1281651178147; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.162.11 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:12:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128585 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 23:57, Uday S Reddy wrote= : > Hi guys, I am not sure where this discussion is headed. =C2=A0Whether the= se > applications of the windows key are "useful" or not is for the users > to determine, is it not? Am I not a user? Can't I state that I wouldn't want Emacs to forcefully hijack the Windows key for meta? (Having it as an option is fine, though; I wouldn't set it up in a million years.) > So, it is not unreasonable to request that we should > have the option under Windows too? Nobody has argued against the *option*, I think. Me, I deny the *necessity* that Lennart posits. > We are talking about providing the users with a choice between > > - keyboard access to Emacs's own menus, and I can access Emacs' own menus quite well if I set `w32-pass-alt-to-system'. > - the fancy applications for a pair of modifier keys that Microsoft > dreamt up of as justification for putting its own trademark on them. You don't find them useful. That does not make it "fancy applications". > Is that choice so hard to understand? It is a false choice. IIUC, the trouble is using Alt with StickyKeys. If so, Lennart is invited to try and find a fix for that which does not force every Windows user to switch to "Windows is meta". > - Uday Perplexed Rhetorical [http://www.unseelie.org/rpg/question.html] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma