From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:49:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83fx0slhxn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276354455 12859 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 14:54:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, dak@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 16:54:12 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONS4j-0000FT-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:54:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48484 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONS4P-0000uC-CX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60504 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONS4I-0000cI-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:52:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONS1q-0006ck-4e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gw0-f41.google.com ([74.125.83.41]:57956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONS1q-0006ca-1A; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: by gwaa18 with SMTP id a18so1211856gwa.0 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:49:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iTe8PIBpT8afLi4FFVbcD9m8iQ7/0n3uxkYSZV09bwo=; b=SK6id2s53sSdhq4arMfYuUHnMmFUc9sZHAa7XtNcUZ3GLbGCgrxeEwxljiHboHq8sp AM9LCvp77ZeJiap1+du9xcvEFBH7UsoLrFcKEh+6YYhYbv469Zf3mStgYuiyuCoo+Q3F oyEPSyvuT2kBGzH+8Fuvmo6TX6g6B1OUMyu+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PtIOxGKO/pssdVK9FFo/DgIskoyS1WKgYUKdxxTdV/D+y7mPZx4DnFf8MksoiASn3G W5w50F9zrjzR6ClotGFTC0HAxNZ/3N0533ObLToXOV7FG939gVD5aDxLmcSS8NVUeHLw 9+Ge5H6K1ZUDoQ3mSQVbdMzDOQ8RXAMWkpMMI= Original-Received: by 10.101.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr2967610ani.54.1276354185162; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.154.15 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:49:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83fx0slhxn.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125814 Archived-At: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:09:44 +0200 >> Cc: Chong Yidong , Eli Zaretskii , = David Kastrup , >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM, James Cloos wrote: >> > >> > In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically. >> >> Seems like a mistake to me. > > What is the mistake? =C2=A0What do you think James described by the above > sentence? I read it as meaning that the arrow keys does not always move visually. (I.e. right arrow keys could move to the left.) >> I think switching the visual directions of the arrow will interfere >> badly because using them is most certainly in low level memory (body >> memory) in the user. > > What program do you think switched the visual directions of the arrow > keys? =C2=A0Emacs doesn't do that: the key moves to the right, an= d > the key moves to the left. =C2=A0(They didn't, before I made the > changes in the bindings of the arrow keys.) Are you saying that the right arrow key etc will always move visually to the right? In that case it is good. Or are you saying that key in Emacs now always does not mean the right arrow key? That seems bad in my opinion.