From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:02:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281654192 23381 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2010 23:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 13 01:03:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojgnk-0006Fv-KL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:03:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57616 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ojgnk-00055n-5D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45167 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ojgna-00053a-Lq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:02:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjgnZ-0000Ya-1a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:02:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:38240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OjgnY-0000YT-ST for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:02:57 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2054844qyk.0 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/7uafIr2tsmPWeA2xo66gJGYS81Gs+mXdx8J3hMoJiU=; b=ZboxGX8ca6O8peb7Ow4wktufo/pm2f47JIFOtX+wQmv66mUujlNPAJBEUhivjt9Go3 G+SEo9b/ezbidNJ+t+Ix6yR8/c6p0gfOg6sccpByXNOFqm9p0t+b/ASEB9M3yXCkTb2x ap4YXkRBbsDX0pbASeg8MmSEL9eDOkxHJOAl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pU9dc89UlxbuTjPlqEo2zF7JwPu7KoOuij6hPHTRujo+04vWFW7fbafdI6NhC1wEJm XT1U2/wFvT11WZDlIeZ1lzJ0FvHeFeCkJ7scXO9gOIZX5YklYY9X7GqWOGZeDQRgmDrL BbK+G56bVKLZWvjSX4zez81/6CyHgr+C6GgyA= Original-Received: by 10.229.229.83 with SMTP id jh19mr691351qcb.76.1281654176103; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.54.80 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:02:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128587 Archived-At: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Juanma Barranquero wro= te: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 23:57, Uday S Reddy wro= te: > >> Hi guys, I am not sure where this discussion is headed. =C2=A0Whether th= ese >> applications of the windows key are "useful" or not is for the users >> to determine, is it not? > > Am I not a user? Can't I state that I wouldn't want Emacs to > forcefully hijack the Windows key for meta? (Having it as an option is > fine, though; I wouldn't set it up in a million years.) We have only been talking about having it as an option. (If that option should make it default is another question.) This is already implemented in my patched version of Emacs. (The default there is still using Alt as Emacs META since I did not want to confuse new users.) > IIUC, the trouble is using Alt with StickyKeys. If so, Lennart is > invited to try and find a fix for that which does not force every > Windows user to switch to "Windows is meta". There are several troubles, but this is a main one, yes. And it is already implemented in my patched version of Emacs. Like the other patch above it has been there for several years now.