From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:02:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280847964 6066 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2010 15:06:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 17:06:01 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJ42-0000C1-NG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:05:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJ41-0004tu-6g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48191 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJ1A-0002ko-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJ16-0007zK-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:03:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:57103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJ15-0007zB-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so3146309qyk.0 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=0F8osuanQJyBpYT9Bd1x+lBdjA+vFspvOEU3bhY/xGM=; b=aJF9jxFUjdIXFS1Y7FnyO4rEweQJ62JF9QNikcLslGmLPKbx005+GMMgGya1GS7yFh 7PtUCmiMZu0ZqQx6I3FlRJUn6iZHWIqPLNlIaywWLsgCOI0PxLdAE6Qv2ASqdoD1Elme wMFYokR/2sACiNXk+3guD/9fJRx1txbiG/eng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=dbkMTU8BGHEEoF7yxx+a10pWF6BZaXVBle3NQswnkDHodNvGJBYDBqHHKRcG7CnqWO vM0vbPWsR9XttZrhip2ghdqlqhF3bB+t4EwBpibUG+Nx0yECJ0pATw1NLy15/IaFsxnj nresxNNUJP4Mu566bYcM5IGias/Imu6o1HHJA= Original-Received: by 10.229.224.82 with SMTP id in18mr1246184qcb.65.1280847774980; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:02:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128194 Archived-At: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 13:56, Uday S Reddy wrote: > >> If people like Xah Lee or Lennart have to fork Emacs >> in order to make it suitable to groups of users, then Emacs hasn't >> lived up to its challenge. > > That's one possible interpretation. I don't think it is necessary to > fork Emacs to make it appealing to Windows users, for example. > Improvements can be made, of course. My intention has not been to fork (though you seemed to believe that, Juanma). Instead I have made quite a lot of patches to show it is working. Then I thought the changes would be adopted (since there are quite a few users of my patched version, at least before). The problem is that it is very hard to get them accepted. Thousands of users using them without trouble does not seem enough. Another problem is that this kind of trouble has taken too much time. (Not only my time.)