From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:27:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C594CD4.9090107@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280921311 5605 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 11:28:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Drew Adams , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 13:28:27 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ogc92-0007h1-2H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:28:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37315 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ogc91-0008A0-KB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:28:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45021 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ogc8v-00089v-Kr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ogc8u-0002cx-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:52160) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ogc8u-0002cp-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so4048070qyk.0 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AOM7DYP+CqRv6fe7uGcY0VhC/DxD/jbVHVrRYt8gUQc=; b=ru3CZgxkbJ/Q+GS0ahYp9hsrrPkXDA4xIIss5RjtmKEoJSCbyIfJRzbLhAnp3K8i5h QjSoMaj2MZul9ct0NMIk52YPPtxVoJrX3WCZmZE1lCeoG5zDNQqeS7u8EhqdcVa0xZhW 7jra7Fm8orhysNukerPyx5nZReRj2dieBSuw4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ukalJ4+ARPi1H1bMRbU1FDjxNwmQmesR04d7X72XHCY1tp5Zb9CbnRF/X7XfDiEqVs 2DYsQxp7kyd2y9Ug6co1VPYLIzmyqL92J1Ee49Rfq0ud5rErYb+rayyljiV2eoUIeODi avoLK/yHVO/sfJv5NP9ZM8cpDS5BtcMSDZQpU= Original-Received: by 10.229.184.196 with SMTP id cl4mr2058740qcb.190.1280921295508; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 04:27:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C594CD4.9090107@swipnet.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128226 Archived-At: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > 2010-08-04 12:52, Lennart Borgman skrev: >> >> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM, =C2=A0wrote: > >> >>> Or do you mean there is no obvious way to traverse the menus from the >>> keyboard? Could we then promote the use of F10 already in the menu bar >>> text? (f10 is bound to menu-bar-open here) >>> >>> perhaps like the 1st line of the help menu or something: >>> >>> =C2=A0"Use F10 to start traversing menus with kbd" >> >> That is not the standard way to access menus (at least not on w32). > > F10 on W32 does start keyboard traversal on menus on Microsoft applicatio= ns > and others, and it is listed here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301583= . > How more standard does it get? =C2=A0The difference between for example G= nome is > that Gnome opens the first menu, but W32 does not. OK, I should of course have written "normal way". Most users on w32 never ever use f10 to access the menus. They use the Alt key.