not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[Sam Cramer]

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When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout the
doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent things
that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.

I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from being
exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se, and I
often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS applies
to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any subordinate
items.

Here's an example:

* An amazing headline
** stuff
** more stuff
* TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
** this is stuff that I would like exported


In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO headline
exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.

I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.  Is
there any other solution I should consider?

Thanks,
Sam

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Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[John Hendy]

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Someone *might* be able to give you a workaround, but the way org-mode works
as far as I can see is that export rules always apply to the children of a
higher-level headline. As such, the subitems of the non-exported TODO are
taken to be notes or things related to the TODO, and since you don't want
the TODO exported it would seem that you don't want the items related to the
TODO exported either.

Maybe if you explain a situation where you'd not want the actual TODO
exported but still want items under it exported, someone could help you with
a workaround or alternative suggestion?


John

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:

> When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout
> the doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent
> things that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
>
> I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from
> being exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se,
> and I often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS
> applies to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any
> subordinate items.
>
> Here's an example:
>
> * An amazing headline
> ** stuff
> ** more stuff
> * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>
>
> In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO headline
> exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
>
> I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.  Is
> there any other solution I should consider?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
>
>
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Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[Sebastian Rose]

Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> writes:
> When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout the
> doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent things
> that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
>
> I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from being
> exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se, and I
> often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS applies
> to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any subordinate
> items.
>
> Here's an example:
>
> * An amazing headline
> ** stuff
> ** more stuff
> * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>
>
> In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO headline
> exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
>
> I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.  Is
> there any other solution I should consider?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam

Here's my proposal:


 * An amazing headline
 ** stuff
 ** more stuff
 ******* TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
 ** this is stuff that I would like exported

Or just use inline tasks.  They are made for this purpose.


  Sebastian

Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[Sam Cramer]

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Thanks for your response!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:23 AM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Someone *might* be able to give you a workaround, but the way org-mode
> works as far as I can see is that export rules always apply to the children
> of a higher-level headline. As such, the subitems of the non-exported TODO
> are taken to be notes or things related to the TODO, and since you don't
> want the TODO exported it would seem that you don't want the items related
> to the TODO exported either.
>
> Maybe if you explain a situation where you'd not want the actual TODO
> exported but still want items under it exported, someone could help you with
> a workaround or alternative suggestion?
>

The situation is one that arguably results from a lack of discipline on my
part (hence my interest in org-mode!): I add TODO items to documents I'm
writing without much regard as to how they fit into the overall structure of
the file.  In other words, my TODOs are generally "one-liners" which are
sprinkled with abandon throughout the file.

Perhaps as I get more familiar with org-mode I will use TODOs in a more
structured way, but right now they are not a structured list of tasks but
rather a bunch of reminders distributed through a document.

Does that make things clearer?

Sam



>
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout
>> the doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent
>> things that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
>>
>> I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from
>> being exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se,
>> and I often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS
>> applies to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any
>> subordinate items.
>>
>> Here's an example:
>>
>> * An amazing headline
>> ** stuff
>> ** more stuff
>> * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
>> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>>
>>
>> In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO
>> headline exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
>>
>> I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.
>>  Is there any other solution I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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>>
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Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[Sam Cramer]

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Ah, org-inlinetask.el, correct? Looks great -- thanks for the advice!

Sam

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de>wrote:

> Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> writes:
> > When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout
> the
> > doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent
> things
> > that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
> >
> > I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from
> being
> > exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se,
> and I
> > often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS
> applies
> > to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any subordinate
> > items.
> >
> > Here's an example:
> >
> > * An amazing headline
> > ** stuff
> > ** more stuff
> > * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
> > ** this is stuff that I would like exported
> >
> >
> > In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO
> headline
> > exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
> >
> > I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.
>  Is
> > there any other solution I should consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
>
> Here's my proposal:
>
>
>  * An amazing headline
>  ** stuff
>  ** more stuff
>  ******* TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
>  ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>
> Or just use inline tasks.  They are made for this purpose.
>
>
>  Sebastian
>

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Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[John Hendy]

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your response!
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:23 AM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Someone *might* be able to give you a workaround, but the way org-mode
>> works as far as I can see is that export rules always apply to the children
>> of a higher-level headline. As such, the subitems of the non-exported TODO
>> are taken to be notes or things related to the TODO, and since you don't
>> want the TODO exported it would seem that you don't want the items related
>> to the TODO exported either.
>>
>> Maybe if you explain a situation where you'd not want the actual TODO
>> exported but still want items under it exported, someone could help you with
>> a workaround or alternative suggestion?
>>
>
> The situation is one that arguably results from a lack of discipline on my
> part (hence my interest in org-mode!): I add TODO items to documents I'm
> writing without much regard as to how they fit into the overall structure of
> the file.  In other words, my TODOs are generally "one-liners" which are
> sprinkled with abandon throughout the file.
>
> Perhaps as I get more familiar with org-mode I will use TODOs in a more
> structured way, but right now they are not a structured list of tasks but
> rather a bunch of reminders distributed through a document.
>
> Does that make things clearer?
>
>
It does make things clearer. Perhaps, then, the best solution is to just
make sure your TODOs have no children, then? Or use the other suggestion for
inline TODOs?

In your example, for example, wouldn't this work?

--------
* An amazing headline
** stuff
** more stuff
** TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
** this is stuff that I would like exported
--------

The TODO was directed at the stuff above anyway, so it perhaps doesn't need
to be it's own main headline? The above works perfectly on export for me.


John


> Sam
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout
>>> the doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent
>>> things that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
>>>
>>> I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from
>>> being exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se,
>>> and I often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS
>>> applies to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any
>>> subordinate items.
>>>
>>> Here's an example:
>>>
>>> * An amazing headline
>>> ** stuff
>>> ** more stuff
>>> * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
>>> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>>>
>>>
>>> In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO
>>> headline exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
>>>
>>> I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.
>>>  Is there any other solution I should consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Re: not exporting TODOs but exporting their subordinates

[Sam Cramer]

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The situation is one that arguably results from a lack of discipline on my
>> part (hence my interest in org-mode!): I add TODO items to documents I'm
>> writing without much regard as to how they fit into the overall structure of
>> the file.  In other words, my TODOs are generally "one-liners" which are
>> sprinkled with abandon throughout the file.
>>
>> Perhaps as I get more familiar with org-mode I will use TODOs in a more
>> structured way, but right now they are not a structured list of tasks but
>> rather a bunch of reminders distributed through a document.
>>
>> Does that make things clearer?
>>
>>
> It does make things clearer. Perhaps, then, the best solution is to just
> make sure your TODOs have no children, then? Or use the other suggestion for
> inline TODOs?
>
> In your example, for example, wouldn't this work?
>
> --------
> * An amazing headline
> ** stuff
> ** more stuff
> ** TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
> --------
>
> The TODO was directed at the stuff above anyway, so it perhaps doesn't need
> to be it's own main headline? The above works perfectly on export for me.
>

Yes, that works too.  The only caveat is that if I later add a subordinate
item to "more stuff" under the TODO, it won't export.  Org-inlinetask.el or
simply making the TODOs deeply nested without the help of org-inlinetask
should solve that problem.

Thanks again for the help!

Sam

>
>
> John
>
>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Sam Cramer <samcramer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When working on a document, I tend to sprinkle TODO headlines throughout
>>>> the doc.  These are really very loosely structured; they just represent
>>>> things that I need to do somewhat near the area that I'm looking at.
>>>>
>>>> I mark these lines with a :noexport: tag in order to prevent them from
>>>> being exported.  As such, they're not part of the document structure per-se,
>>>> and I often mark them as top level headlines.  Since EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS
>>>> applies to a tree and not to a title, this prevents the export of any
>>>> subordinate items.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an example:
>>>>
>>>> * An amazing headline
>>>> ** stuff
>>>> ** more stuff
>>>> * TODO clean up the stuff above :noexport:
>>>> ** this is stuff that I would like exported
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the example above, I'd like to have the everything but the TODO
>>>> headline exported, including the "this is stuff I would like exported" line.
>>>>
>>>> I guess that I could always have my TODO lines be at a very deep level.
>>>>  Is there any other solution I should consider?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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