From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134657 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> > Really? =C2=A0Good, in that case. =C2=A0I was under the impression >> > that simply hitting the key would mean that Windows grabs it. >> >> Yes, of course. What else should it do? > > There are 3 possibilities that have been discussed: > 1. It is bound in Emacs. Invoke the Emacs binding. > 2. It is not bound. =C2=A0Raise an Emacs unbound error. > 3. It is not bound. =C2=A0Pass Alt-F4 through to Windows. > > No one has disagreed about #1. =C2=A0You think that #3 is always preferab= le to #2 and > should become hard-coded behavior. Yes, I actually do prefer #3 hard-coded instead of #2. I would be glad if you instead of writing a lot of things clearly told why you prefer #2 hard-coded. > I think that the choice between #2 and #3 > should be up to the user and Emacs libraries if possible. I can't see how both users and libraries could decide on this. If such a choice is given it must be up to the user to decide. (I have nothing particular against such a choice, but I can't really see the merit of it either.) >> No one has suggested that Alt+F4 should be hardcoded to be >> sent to w32. > > Odd that you would say this just after you asked what other behavior coul= d > possibly exist. Could you please be a bit more exact in your questions? We can have more fun than arguing like this.