From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Fabian Ezequiel Gallina Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:32:01 -0300 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <87hbjr9x71.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3uf9vb2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <9EA96AE1258C4B9CA131AD2D72BDB3CD@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280089952 551 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2010 20:32:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Wojciech Meyer , David Kastrup , Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 22:32:27 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od7ry-0004oX-44 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:32:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39209 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od7rx-0005G9-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40607 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od7rq-0005Ex-0F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od7rf-0005E2-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:48602) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od7rf-0005Ds-DT; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so1248338wwb.30 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=omhgnUjl5o73dSEuK5IcgW0LnyCbvXfvb6UQyuRcBVg=; b=h/suvkCrK1y2EoTt+7i8GCT1prQYyR9x6fCxSi9l2/4ulGEm8K3lrdGMdjwdePADJ4 awm63sV+Ekvurv7zlroteDppf6clkb+6u2EmwqSTvPVc3+dwJrZbt2WNVXJA0UIg1Iph QBHvnL2AaOK7T+gkJyTtrJ6h28yFmKlg0Y8c4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ER+e+6j1mGF/AXd6MUsq9cfWvG88jZ0ln+xEEc2Zo730/nJSsB07Vd9OG5oLLlz2gW +oadB0p0W8EAT1SXzAJBghoNYpwCEgkOZR3oRcJHNntIPBQa4zXKbX3hnKJmdcdhnYZ+ jo/cs2lauIVmbYkS1acTpof9aJxtuUMyhU5e8= Original-Received: by 10.227.20.85 with SMTP id e21mr6302831wbb.175.1280089921598; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.23.6 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9EA96AE1258C4B9CA131AD2D72BDB3CD@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127791 Archived-At: 2010/7/25 Drew Adams : > > Whatever happened to Eclipse in this discussion? > Now we're spiraling down to `vi vs Emacs'? > I don't know if you people were aware of this. But once I had to work on a Java project and I was forced to use Eclipse. Looking deep at the preferences I was amazed when I found that there was an Emacs key-binding scheme available. Being on the opposite situation, in Emacs is even easier to find how to activate CUA: Options -> C-x/C-c/C-v Cut and Paste (CUA) With that said, I guess discussing activating CUA by default is not really relevant at all and I think a better discussion is if it should be mentioned in the tutorial. For me the way to improve Emacs' learning curve is not changing Emacs itself but providing quick/easy to understand documentation. For instance together with the Tutorial we could have: * a Quick Command Reference with just common basic commands. * an Available Minor Modes Quick Reference showing a table of the form (minor-mode description). * an Available Major Modes Quick Reference. The same as above but for major-modes. * Tips and Tricks describing some nice things to do with your Emacs (for instance introducing M-x apropos and C-h k) And I'm thinking of those to be listed in (about-emacs) just before the Emacs Tutorial. What do you think about that? Best Regards, --=20 Fabi=E1n E. Gallina http://www.from-the-cloud.com