Re: delete-selection-mode as default

[Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com>]

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Le 8 septembre 2018 20:33:16 GMT+05:30, hw <hw@adminart.net> a écrit :
>Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>   Can we consider changing defaults only for users who don't have any
>init file at all ?
>
>Unexpectable behaviour of Emacs only because there is no ~/.emacs would
>be confusing.
>
>Which defaults is Emacs supposed to assume for settings that have not
>been made in ~/.emacs because the user didn't need to change them
>before
>the developers did?
>
>>   This change may not solve many problems, due to two other features
>of emacs : 
>
>These are problems of other editors.
>
>> 1. Emacs undo is frustrating for most new users. Correcting mistakes
>> with delete-selection-mode i.e. restore a selection that was deleted
>> due to a mistaken delete by typing/pasting , will need them to use
>> undo.
>
>Every editor that doesn't understand Emacs` key bindings and doesn't
>have its functions is frustrating (to use an euphemism).
>
>Emacs` undo sucks when you need it more than once because you have to
>press two keys for it.  Using a prefix doesn't work to make this easier
>because I have no way of knowing how many times I have to use undo
>before I get back to where I want to.  It is a really bad choice.
>
>C-z can not easily be used for undo.  Other editors should never have
>used it for that anyway.  I don't see why they would because it
>suspends
>the process.
>
>> 2. In their attempt to play with undo/redo, they might do C-y. Which
>> pastes in Emacs : but it is the key for redo in many "modern"
>> editors. This can cause more unintended deletions in
>> delete-selection-mode.
>
>This is another example of how delete-selection-mode supports making
>mistakes.  Without it, C-y seems fine.  Shift+Insert works only in X
>frames.
>
>Now imagine you change the key binding for undo and for yank when there
>is no ~/.emacs to make things easier for beginners.  The beginner uses
>customize to change colours and to set a font and saves this settings.
>
>Suddenly undo and yank --- and perhaps lots of other things --- "don't
>work" anymore because the key bindings have changed.  Does that make
>things easier for beginners --- or more difficult?

I have clarified here : https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2018-09/msg00330.html. Absence of init file is to be noticed only once. 

At other places in your email, is it sarcasm ?

Thanks

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