From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: About Emacs Modernisation Project Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <143c6d28-4423-4e43-9fc5-c0fb3340043b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <87ljazofkn.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <04eff456-349f-4840-b0f7-d1784f6b7058@d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> <87r5krh3e0.fsf@unm.edu> <87wrujuowq.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291826078 14072 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 16:34:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 17:34:34 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMyO-0001dO-At for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:34:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39516 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQMyN-0000x3-NX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:34:31 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sysmatrix.net!news.sysmatrix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:47:43 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: X-No-Archive: yes Original-Lines: 33 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.129.34 Original-X-Trace: sv3-622fbuJlyS598SQH4YIyIWZ+79VY+OnRyJRooqKGA8JO9xlaWnl/D9wUnnXFiHHITlQsQF7oKviy4bA!iZtoAAmQQqdFACrwENRpmz2vFCVLqZYgrKVTDTOdB6btCmQYE0frN5fISNj1P51DOLo8MWIAj7Cy!x7/RcqH59hRsrF34jNHIqsf3xU61lA== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178559 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-Gmane-Expiry: 2010-12-22 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75621 Archived-At: rustom wrote: > On Jun 1, 1:40 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) > wrote: >> Evans Winner writes: >>> LanX writes: >>> No name spaces, no real lexical variables [...] >>> These are not bugs, they are features. One uses the right >>> tool for the job. It is highly unlikely that the language >>> of choice for serious hackers working on developing large, >>> complex systems is going to be the same language chosen for >>> casual text editor users who want to quickly and simply >>> customize some element of their editor. >> Possibly. However, if emacs was reprogrammed in Common Lisp, you >> could have both. Naive users could be provided with an environment >> with only dynamic binding and a unique namespace, while sophisticated >> programmers could use all the features of Common Lisp. Also, as >> mentionned in another post, it would be easier to implement other >> user-friend scripting languages in Common Lisp than in emacs lisp. >> > > I remember seeing a paper (by a German I think) in which he claimed > that he could *fully automatically* translate elisp to scheme. Does > anyone remember this? [My google foo is not up-to-the-mark...] It might have been this (out of Freiburg and Tuebingen, 2001): http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/papers/dynamic-scope-analysis.pdf Anyway, there is menttion of the el2scm project. Ed