From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: 2 annoying questions for `find-alternate-file` Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:27:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351474076 23816 80.91.229.3 (29 Oct 2012 01:27:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Juri Linkov' To: "'Damien Cassou'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 29 02:28:04 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TSe94-0003bP-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:28:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54138 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TSe8w-000858-ED for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39795) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TSe8t-00084s-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:27:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TSe8s-0001dr-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:35527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TSe8s-0001dl-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q9T1Rk4m011182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:27:47 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9T1RjIf015451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:27:46 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q9T1RjhY013216; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:27:45 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:27:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: Ac1lzQ8eq8Tw5rnLREiolHfLDEMu/BPpf3vg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154567 Archived-At: This annoyance was commented on in July (this thread). A bug (#12487) was independently filed for the same annoyance in September. Neither the emacs-devel thread nor the bug has been replied to yet by our maintainers. This was a very bad change to Emacs - contrary to all good sense for a UI. The confusion it introduces will cause users to _lose data_. I, for one, have almost been tripped up by it multiple times, in spite of the fact that I am well aware of it now. Can we please get this awful change reverted or otherwise reversed/fixed? Several reasonable comments and solutions have been proposed in the bug and emacs-devel threads. Why is it so hard to get something so simple and so obviously wrong fixed? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-07/msg00431.html http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12487