From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:55:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203523078 13931 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 15:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:57:58 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 16:58:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRrKf-0007kk-07 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:58:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrK9-0003ic-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:57:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrIn-0002u8-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrIl-0002ry-5L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrIl-0002rk-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:07 -0500 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRrIk-0006if-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:56:06 -0500 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so826233nfh.26 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=K1yMNQfvNeByTZWc2yQJKDHElKAous5c4dsF0NK/wrU=; b=LVR9Z/ErA0ogFTKsHCSRucnGIpWZUauDUAOb/HZv6/hBHqJ9BT+80IbNp9jF2kkWuhroimPFXamyxRnSZo0622+7G+IkpQ0oeV+HOcrBTM68CkctDtSYWA1ZxytSGQddBUIEn860RViBeSR/qOEMryhpgZb08allLwXi+rCN8ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=wFRetL3HSJRZSHLGXsrx+h3TaQFO2Db+GPcBDtD/xRv5sAEc3Th8W+QciWlUTCAGIpYW1BxsBQXMDnb5IVVVD2WZpQBAPAgnBUEK0IaYf2oMiTq8C/WqgP+HlJisOM1LC/Gm8cbuZDgyKbK41C77AHsgnYud3c4nGqwF+EX/dcg= Original-Received: by 10.78.178.5 with SMTP id a5mr13712167huf.15.1203522965077; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from scarlett.inf.ed.ac.uk ( [129.215.174.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm231234nfu.22.2008.02.20.07.56.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:56:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89691 Archived-At: On 20 Feb 2008, at 12:52, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > IMO, defaults should be choosen, if possible, so the behavior is what > most new users would expect. An experienced user will research how to > deactivate something that he doesn't like. A newbie will perhaps just > give up. I would replace "newbie" with anyone who uses Emacs alongside a number of other applications which provide their own editing facilities (even if just to fill a form field). That was my situation, and while I'd happily adapt one way or the other (w.r.t transient-mark-mode and key bindings, etc.) in general, I wouldn't want to switch back and forth within seconds. Emacs users say the same about switching between machines and having their own .emacs sync'ed between them. Is it possible to satisfy both types of users? Can't there be two variants of Emacs?