From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7260: 24.0.50; DEL screwed up Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:45:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287688379 10333 80.91.229.12 (21 Oct 2010 19:12:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7260@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Emacs-Devel devel' To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 21:12:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P90ZJ-00049s-LS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:12:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P90ZI-0004OM-Pe for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:12:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48869 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P90Z9-0004Nu-B0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P90Z8-0004ZP-56 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P90Z8-0004ZL-3d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:12:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P906Q-0001o6-0E; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7260 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7260-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7260.12876865756940 (code B ref 7260); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7260) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2010 18:42:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P906J-0001nt-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P906H-0001no-Cw for 7260@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:42:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o9LIkgiP005151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:46:44 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o9LEO9t8011820; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:46:42 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt021.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 704567861287686712; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:45:12 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:45:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: ActxSnXq9EGFsOmARUu+TaKwTB9WpAAApqEA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:43:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:41048 Archived-At: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > Today I typed DEL after yanking some text and typing C-x > > C-x to go to the beginning of it. DEL surprised me by > > deleting the region. > > I think most people now agree that `C-x C-x' shouldn't activate the > region when transient-mark-mode is switched on, but nobody > has actually altered that function to stop doing this. > > If nobody objects, I'll make that change later tonight. Huh?????? _Nothing_ has been decided in this regard. Refer to the giant thread "C-d deleting region considered harmful". See in particular the sub/derived threads "Should C-x C-x activate the region?" and "C-x C-x". http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-09/msg00965.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-09/msg01011.html There was _lots_ of discussion about this, but no conclusion about just what should be done. The last mail I see on this topic was Richard's of 2010/09/22. He argued that a poll should be taken. The last line of the thread is Richard's: "If we just speculate about this, we might be very wrong." http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-09/msg01110.html Please do _not_ just "make that change later tonight". (You certainly should not make changes like that based only on someone filing a bug to report an annoyance.) (FWIW, I was the first in the thread to suggest that we might consider changing `C-x C-x' so that it does not activate the region. So I am not against such a change, in principle. But just "making that change later tonight" is truly not kosher/halal.)