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From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	eliz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Plug treesit.el into other emacs constructs
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 16:05:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A478D39E-D161-4740-92EF-ACBF4A90CB12@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0CA63C32-432C-42C5-BBAD-C6E1A7CE1806@gmail.com>



> On Dec 14, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2022, at 6:01 AM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would argue that the purpose of forward-sexp is to move over items in
>>> a list.
>> 
>> There are different ways to look at it.  In the Lisp context where it
>> emerged, we only have "identifiers" and "parenthesized thingies", so
>> that doesn't give much guidance about what to do in-between.
> 
> I see, so maybe sexp means the general, flexible AST entity. And thinking of it, my idea is just forward-list :-) And we definitely should include forward-list into the list of navigation commands we want to support, among the ones that are already brought up.

Ok, upon closer inspection, forward-list isn’t exactly what I’m thinking about, it moves over lists, but I’m thinking about moving over elements of a list.

If you think about it, there are two kinds of constructs in an AST/grammar: those are repeatable, and those are not. Statements are repeatable, you can stack multiple ones together and it still makes sense. Identifiers are not repeatable, put two together doesn’t make sense (in most languages).

And these repeatable constructs appears at every level of the AST, from top-level stuff like function definition, to statements, to small stuff like arguments in an argument list. That makes them very good unit of navigation.

Navigation commands, IMO, needs to be extremely easy to predict and requires no thinking. That’s the reason why avy never grow on me: yes you can move to anywhere you want, but it takes so much cognitive load to use. Much better to type a few C-n, C-M-f, etc to get their, because I don’t need to think about it.

Does this make sense? 

Yuan


  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-15  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-12 14:33 Plug treesit.el into other emacs constructs Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-12 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-13 18:17   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-12 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-13 18:27   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-13 19:37     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-13 19:53       ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-13 20:06         ` Perry Smith
2022-12-13 23:19         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14  8:14           ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-14  8:42             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-14 14:01             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 16:24               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-14 17:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 18:07                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-14 19:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 20:04                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-14 20:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 21:15                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-14 21:34                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-15 19:37                               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-15 19:56                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-15 20:03                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-15 20:33                                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-15 20:57                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-24  7:00                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-24  8:44                                           ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-24 14:01                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-24 14:15                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-26 19:11                                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-26 22:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-26 22:51                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 22:15                                                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-12-28  0:12                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-28  9:26                                                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-12-28 18:01                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-28 18:27                                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-26 22:56                                                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-27 15:46                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-14 23:31               ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-15  0:05                 ` Yuan Fu [this message]
2022-12-15  7:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-15  7:14                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-15  4:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-15  5:59                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-15 21:23                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-15 21:28                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-13 20:02       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-12-13 23:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 23:32   ` Stephen Leake
2022-12-16 10:02     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-12-16 11:54       ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2022-12-17 15:30         ` Kévin Le Gouguec

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