From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chris Van Dusen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l577bm.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375179057 18307 80.91.229.3 (30 Jul 2013 10:10:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Emanuel Berg To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 30 12:10:58 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V46tN-0001ue-Sl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:10:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33979 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V46tN-0005Pe-B4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56004) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V46t4-0005Ou-Q0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V46sz-0000SY-QB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:10:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231]:56535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V46sz-0000SK-EO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:10:33 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id f8so6201175obp.36 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=k3v/L17FlA/w9a/99CTGb+rQRaqoQiVFVJ7xuQS6VCs=; b=FiRBh0K2B5CQU2f9i9eiwd1xXxqyR7OJid7hnQ3VOQ7pM8bP3LVz7+ydFwrD1UiU1i jKzcrZIAftTiXO63cCarUuKyO79rpko6YzRbdhDQmcPXUVVSkS7I2pmR23pooXJZ/0/Y 186EQm3yvaEdv8f3P7g9gQg++bCSFVdJw8iYTqCh/6IIJ7l5yQ8XGiS864xLJEADFWUz ODw3gc+CRzfyxXMZ5gGtkVwvzSNfoSXmFopgW3iQ/IbNZs5Z1GXhvgtTcQ/lpeq6dQOG Uxd7v23HATSL4OBicNE2btTlwIaBB5HFGWKZINEKLdVPTvB7TTbAO5u9aOFcg5Blmvo/ huwQ== X-Received: by 10.182.142.129 with SMTP id rw1mr7383087obb.67.1375179032233; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.31] (cpe-76-184-166-92.tx.res.rr.com. [76.184.166.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fh1sm3474400oeb.7.2013.07.30.03.10.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:10:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a9l577bm.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::231 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92536 Archived-At: On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Jambunathan K wrote: > > We are discussing - http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html > > What fascinates me in that article is this, > > ,---- > | They used a manual someone had written which showed how to extend > | Emacs, but didn't say it was a programming. So the secretaries, > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | who believed they couldn't do programming, weren't scared > | ^^^^^^^^ > | ^^^^^^^^ > | off. They read the manual, discovered they could do useful things > | and they learned to program. > `---- Although he mentions Bernie Greenberg, I don't see a link to his article. Here is that article. The relevant section is IX. http://www.multicians.org/mepap.html Chris.