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From: Bozhidar Batsov <bozhidar@batsov.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Small improvements to ruby-mode
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:49:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A208C4F2252B4872BF5B4AB6EA89FC9C@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51C6EA5F.2040408@yandex.ru>

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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: 
> On 23.06.2013 10:20, Bozhidar Batsov wrote:
> > > I'm less sure about these. Every method on Kernel is usually called
> > > without an explicit receiver, and there are more of them.
> > > Let's wait for another opinion.
> > > 
> > 
> > There are more of them, but most of them exist only when ruby is invoked
> > with -n/-p (for perl-like scripting) - normally chomp, chomp!, chop, etc
> > are not bound, which means we should not add them to the built-in list,
> > since nobody is actually wring Ruby applications using them. Matz
> > himself recommends that all the command-like methods from Kernel be
> > treated as reserved words - meaning it's considered a bad idea for
> > someone to introduce variables or methods named this way. If they were
> > highlighted properly fewer developers would fail to recognize their
> > "special" status. Looking at the Kernel module's docs there are less
> > than 30 such commands and they've barely changed in recent years.
> > 
> 
> 
> That makes sense, but should we highlight them the same way as 
> keyword-like methods (which I've roughly defined for myself as stuff 
> having to do with control flow, code generation and loading)?
> 
> 

Those methods are only different in our minds - in the end of the time they are in the same bucket. That said we have two options:

1. Introduce some extra face for keyword-like built-in methods, that inherits from the keyword or built-in face by default and leave it to theme authors to make it distinct.  
2. Treat all built-ins as just built-ins.

I'm fine with both options, but if it were up-to-me I'd probably go with option 2, since I don't like to introduce additional complexity and option 2 corresponds more closely with the actual state of affairs.
> 
> > > 1) I don't subscribe to your principle of single quotes vs. double
> > > quotes. So, when I'm adding an interpolation to a string, it's usually
> > > double-quoted already.
> > > 
> > 
> > It's not exactly my principle :-)
> > 
> 
> 
> Well, it's in the style guide you're maintaining, and I haven't seen 
> this exact phrasing elsewhere, IIRC. And there are enough popular 
> projects that contradict or ignore it.
> 
> > The toggling between string and symbol is pretty useful.
> 
> Yes, I could've used it myself just the other day. It's not something I 
> do too often either, though.
> 
> > Btw, Dmitry, I noticed something strange about ruby-mode (at least in
> > 24.3) - the calculations for method and block boundaries seem to be off.
> > I'm not sure if you're aware of the problem or you need a more detailed
> > report.
> > 
> 
> 
> Not exactly sure what you mean, so yes, more details would be helpful. 
> But please try the current trunk first.
> 
> 

OK, I'll do some tests and I'll get back to you on this one. 


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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-21 16:00 Small improvements to ruby-mode Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-21 19:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-21 23:31   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-21 23:45     ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-22  0:12       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-22  7:05     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-22 13:28       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-22 15:30         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-23  6:20         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-23 12:30           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 13:49             ` Bozhidar Batsov [this message]
2013-07-01 18:32               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-01 21:41                 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-01 21:50                   ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                     ` <CAM9Zgm3Uw-TfW9aT7zdA1r=etsb26xAcW7DHJ_7=NfArFE8e5A@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-02 18:38                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-03 15:46                         ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                           ` <CAM9Zgm1_Jmn7Z4ZwSkPURAFOdTCURQP-TEDeys0dR4Uqyr8mfw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-05 10:30                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-05 11:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:55                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-05 22:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 13:01                               ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-05 14:15                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-06  5:31                                   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06  9:37                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-06 12:23                                       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06 15:47                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-07 21:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-07 23:22                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-08  9:22                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-09  0:40                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-09  8:50                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-09 12:57                                             ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-08  9:33                                       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-08  9:37                                         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09  1:19                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-09 12:55                                             ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 14:36                                               ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 16:07                                                 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 17:18                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-10  6:23                                                     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 17:09                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-10  6:09                                                   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-10 18:09                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-11 11:23                                                       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-12 20:31                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                                                           ` <CAM9Zgm2NbtNkm8p+SL=kYd-u90r5ELTvJrj4rxm8_Yk5QVN4WA@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-13 10:24                                                             ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-13 19:10                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-15 13:53                                                               ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-16 13:18                                                                 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-16 14:47                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-08 15:56                                                                     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-08-08 21:21                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-08 22:47                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-08 23:54                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-09 14:52                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-10 11:45                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-10 13:23                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-11 11:54                                                                                 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-08-11 13:08                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-11 14:08                                                                                     ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-11 14:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-11 15:18                                                                                         ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-11 16:56                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-11 20:55                                                                                             ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-12  1:52                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-13  9:10                                                                                                 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-09-13  9:26                                                                                                   ` Johan Andersson
2013-09-13 13:24                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-13 13:27                                                                                                       ` Johan Andersson
2013-07-05 22:35                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06  5:14                                   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06  9:38                                     ` Dmitry Gutov

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