From: Bozhidar Batsov <bozhidar@batsov.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Small improvements to ruby-mode
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:49:31 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <A208C4F2252B4872BF5B4AB6EA89FC9C@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51C6EA5F.2040408@yandex.ru>
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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 23.06.2013 10:20, Bozhidar Batsov wrote:
> > > I'm less sure about these. Every method on Kernel is usually called
> > > without an explicit receiver, and there are more of them.
> > > Let's wait for another opinion.
> > >
> >
> > There are more of them, but most of them exist only when ruby is invoked
> > with -n/-p (for perl-like scripting) - normally chomp, chomp!, chop, etc
> > are not bound, which means we should not add them to the built-in list,
> > since nobody is actually wring Ruby applications using them. Matz
> > himself recommends that all the command-like methods from Kernel be
> > treated as reserved words - meaning it's considered a bad idea for
> > someone to introduce variables or methods named this way. If they were
> > highlighted properly fewer developers would fail to recognize their
> > "special" status. Looking at the Kernel module's docs there are less
> > than 30 such commands and they've barely changed in recent years.
> >
>
>
> That makes sense, but should we highlight them the same way as
> keyword-like methods (which I've roughly defined for myself as stuff
> having to do with control flow, code generation and loading)?
>
>
Those methods are only different in our minds - in the end of the time they are in the same bucket. That said we have two options:
1. Introduce some extra face for keyword-like built-in methods, that inherits from the keyword or built-in face by default and leave it to theme authors to make it distinct.
2. Treat all built-ins as just built-ins.
I'm fine with both options, but if it were up-to-me I'd probably go with option 2, since I don't like to introduce additional complexity and option 2 corresponds more closely with the actual state of affairs.
>
> > > 1) I don't subscribe to your principle of single quotes vs. double
> > > quotes. So, when I'm adding an interpolation to a string, it's usually
> > > double-quoted already.
> > >
> >
> > It's not exactly my principle :-)
> >
>
>
> Well, it's in the style guide you're maintaining, and I haven't seen
> this exact phrasing elsewhere, IIRC. And there are enough popular
> projects that contradict or ignore it.
>
> > The toggling between string and symbol is pretty useful.
>
> Yes, I could've used it myself just the other day. It's not something I
> do too often either, though.
>
> > Btw, Dmitry, I noticed something strange about ruby-mode (at least in
> > 24.3) - the calculations for method and block boundaries seem to be off.
> > I'm not sure if you're aware of the problem or you need a more detailed
> > report.
> >
>
>
> Not exactly sure what you mean, so yes, more details would be helpful.
> But please try the current trunk first.
>
>
OK, I'll do some tests and I'll get back to you on this one.
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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-21 16:00 Small improvements to ruby-mode Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-21 19:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-21 23:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-21 23:45 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-22 0:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-22 7:05 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-22 13:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-22 15:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-23 6:20 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-23 12:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 13:49 ` Bozhidar Batsov [this message]
2013-07-01 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-01 21:41 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-01 21:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <CAM9Zgm3Uw-TfW9aT7zdA1r=etsb26xAcW7DHJ_7=NfArFE8e5A@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-02 18:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-03 15:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <CAM9Zgm1_Jmn7Z4ZwSkPURAFOdTCURQP-TEDeys0dR4Uqyr8mfw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-05 10:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-05 11:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-05 22:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 13:01 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-05 14:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-06 5:31 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06 9:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-06 12:23 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06 15:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-07 21:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-07 23:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-08 9:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-09 0:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-09 8:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-09 12:57 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-08 9:33 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-08 9:37 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 1:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-09 12:55 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 14:36 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 16:07 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 17:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-10 6:23 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-09 17:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-10 6:09 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-10 18:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-11 11:23 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-12 20:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <CAM9Zgm2NbtNkm8p+SL=kYd-u90r5ELTvJrj4rxm8_Yk5QVN4WA@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-13 10:24 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-13 19:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-15 13:53 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-16 13:18 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-16 14:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-08 15:56 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-08-08 21:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-08 22:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-08 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-09 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-10 11:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-10 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-11 11:54 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-08-11 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-11 14:08 ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-11 14:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-08-11 15:18 ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-11 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-11 20:55 ` Johan Andersson
2013-08-12 1:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-13 9:10 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-09-13 9:26 ` Johan Andersson
2013-09-13 13:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-09-13 13:27 ` Johan Andersson
2013-07-05 22:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06 5:14 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-07-06 9:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
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