From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ryan Tate Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Clojure mode Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 15:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33592"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 10 06:57:00 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qfCVI-0008aG-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 06:57:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfCUP-0001Sr-R3; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 00:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qf3od-0001iL-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 15:40:23 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([2a10:de80:1:4092:b9e9:2292:0:1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qf3oY-0003aZ-Vk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 15:40:21 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (c04smtp-lb01.int.sover.in [10.10.4.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RjjxP36wXz6w for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2023 19:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [10.10.4.100]) by soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RjjxN74Z7zHZ for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2023 19:40:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Soverin-Authenticated: true Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a10:de80:1:4092:b9e9:2292:0:1; envelope-from=ryantate@ryantate.com; helo=outbound.soverin.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 00:56:05 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310431 Archived-At: =EF=BB=BFrms 26 Aug 2023: > If we install a command called clojure-mode in the core Emacs, that will i= n a sense be the preferred one. This is plainly a freedom 0 violation, intentionally thwarting a user=E2=80=99= s wish to install a particular piece of software through the raw exercise of= situational, incidental power never intentionally granted for this purpose.= =20 The work of bbatsov and others has created the reputation and meaning of =E2= =80=9Cclojure-mode.=E2=80=9D To simply steal the fruits of that labor, and t= o trick users, through you situational power to bundle is abusive and wrong.= It mirrors the behavior of some of the most avaricious venture-capital fund= ed startups (even if the reasoning is nominally ideological rather than capi= talist).=20 As a longtime user of (and onetime patch contributor to) emacs, and as an ac= tive user of clojure mode and CIDER, I find it disappointing this is even be= ing considered. Build a version of the mode under another license if you wis= h but get your own name rather than stealing one.=