From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Van L Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 10:43:27 +1000 Message-ID: References: <87tvqw4w8s.fsf@russet.org.uk> <6443412a-5803-d9c0-1ef3-ece7f49c43e1@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527295301 13370 195.159.176.226 (26 May 2018 00:41:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 00:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 26 02:41:37 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMNH6-0003MI-Mv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 02:41:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47231 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMNJC-00071Z-87 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 20:43:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMNJ6-00071U-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 20:43:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMNJ3-0003A5-7K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 20:43:40 -0400 Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:35735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMNJ3-00038h-1F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 20:43:37 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Original-Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF2C51C0004; Sat, 26 May 2018 02:43:31 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.197 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225739 Archived-At: > Paul Eggert writes: >=20 > we have a lot of departments and research groups, most of which focus = on areas other than computer science and who have a lot of software of = varying quality that they don't necessarily have time or budget to = upgrade or maintain extensively. The courses I teach are assigned to a = batch of RHEL 7 servers that support many different courses, not just = mine. I do not specify or maintain the server OSes; that's a = responsibility of the operations staff How can the industrial processes at Amazon, Digital Ocean, Google help = them? unless deep in their own bowels they are no different.=