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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256380 Archived-At: > On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Eduardo Mercovich >> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, self@gkayaalp.com, casouri@gmail.com, >> stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:54:17 -0300 >>=20 >>> I suggest that you start the ball rolling by posting a list of = options >>> you think we should consider (in a separate discussion topic, = please). >>=20 >> My area of expertise is not programming, so I can hardly propose what = a >> programmer may find useful to configure. I can only propose what I >> -personally- find useful (and that list is already done). >=20 > I wouldn't be worried about that. Just post the list you can come up > with, and others will chime in. >=20 I think a methodology that can produce a decision is helpful. IME people = can=E2=80=99t converge on a result that no one opposes, and eventually = everyone wore out and the discuss stalls. >> That's why I proposed a *process* to do it: we can all add our voices = (all >> that are interested, at least) and go forward together because we = agreed >> on how to do so.=20 >=20 > IME, talking too much about the process runs the risk to leave the > discussion there. Having a list to discuss makes the discussions much > more practical. >=20 > Thanks.